What is the fastest age for a swimmer(mine seems to be faster as i get older and yes i swam as a youngster...now im 37..)?
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Originally posted by mattson
Ion, I'm still waiting for the paper reference, that talks about age 13-19 being important for VO2Max.
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I already answered this in the thread about the VO2max that was deleted.
I don't feel like I should re-re-re...re-cycle for the Johnny-come-late.
You got this one:
Originally posted by Phil Arcuni
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2) No UofC grad would say 'UofC, UofI@CC, pretty close.' Not because Uof I@CC is a bad school, but because UofC grads are snobs.
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wrong.
It's like you would tell me:
"...No UofC grad would say 'UofC, UofI@CC, pretty close.'...because UofC grads have professor Mason that everyone hates."
When you say that someone is not paying attention, even though that one has no involvement at all in University of Illinois at Chicago or University of Chicago, and remembers the words almost accurately three years later, then you shouldn't say that the person is not paying attention.
On the contrary, the person without any involvement got it almost right three years later, and that's pretty much attention.
Many other details of this kind tell you that I pay attention.
For example, do you remember that three years ago I replied to your e-mail with one word, the word "OK."?
I do.
Because I pay attention.
I think Jeff told me one time that he swam in the Cal Novice league which I did too but in an earlier period. These teams don't develop VO2 that much. And I believe him when he says that he didn't do swimming again until community college.
Well, if youth swimming equals being faster explain this. I look at the nationals last year. I could tell this woman in my age group didn't swim as a kid because she swam the 200 meter fly at5:00 but the 200 meter *** at 3:38 and the 100 meter *** at 1:42.6 and the 50 meter *** at 47. I did the 50 meter at 46.12 and the 100 meter at 1:43.31 and the 200 meter at 3:58. So, she who started as an adult was able to swim a 200 meter a lot faster than me. I know that I workout on my own but that youthful VO2 should be there.
Originally posted by swimr4life
In response to "Doc" saying he had never seen a fast distance swimmer with bad technique....Sorry....I have! They worked VERY hard and built their endurance up to compensate. But, I understand the point you are making. You just shouldn't categorize sprinters as a whole as being lazy and having poor technique. I kinda take that personal because I am a sprinter/middle distance swimmer. I constantly work hard and on my technique!
You're reading too much into what I said. I never said sprinters were lazy and all have bad technique. I said I've known many that were fast and had bad technique. Many of those with bad technique and fast, did work hard in practice. I've also known sprinters with good technique that were slow - aka me ;)
Originally posted by Paul Smith
OK, I'll come back into the "dog park" and lift my leg.......
A few personal observations:
- Ion has an incredible passion/obsession for our sport, sadly in forums such as this it is very negative.
- Since I've known Ion I've always given him credit for being more fit than most masters swimmers (as well as the general population). He trains exceptionally hard, putting more days/miles into swimming than a lot of high school/college swimmers.
- His technique is extremally poor, he has marginal flexibility, he suffers from athsma and breathes side to side every stroke, has no "feel", no streamline, "flop" starts, doesn't race with goggles, doesn't eat right during meets, gets extremally nervous before races and has gotten to the times he's at purely from being "fit" (he is far stronger in the weight room than me). If Ion ever tested his VO2 max he would probably disprove his own theory, its probably far higher that most even without the base training in ages 13-19.
- This is where his obession and reality collide, he wants so badly to excel that he's devised "categories" such as "late bloomers" to gain the recognition that his stand alone swimming times can't. If this helps him stay motivated to train everyday more power to him, its the public "challenges" that he issues in these forums that are the biggest problem.
Ion, I hope you can find a more zen like relationship to your training. Swimming is a beautiful thing, much of that beauty has little to do with speed or fitness but rather with how you interact with water. My biggest thrill is simple gliding, whether thats off a turn, a start, or on a dive at 100 feet. Find that "feel/balance" and you'll find a whole new experience in the sport you love so much!
Tall Paul says it all......
Wow! I never would have guessed all the "VO2 Max"discusssion would have come out of this. It seems that some people (Certainly not ION) have over analylized this. I still enjoy swimming in local "kids" meets in the open agegroup along with my 11 year old son. After all, how many years can I still compete with the open group and swim in the same meet as my son? How great is that?
