The Fastest Age

Originally posted by kaelonj The challenge I presented was for me to find a succesful Master swimmer (meaning someone who has made a top ten USMS time) who did not swim during their premium growth year (13 to 19) for VO2 max. If I could find such, then this would prove that your VO2 max handicap is a lame excuse, if I couldn't find such then I would have to give you credit your claim is true. Once again the ball is in your court. You discount everyone's claim of these invisible late starters, the burden is on me to prove it - yet you balk because maybe you realize your claim is bogus. Jeff Um, I already made it to one of the top 10 lists ;) and I have a patch to prove it I know, I know, it was just a relay... But still, that was in my very first meet, just after 3 weeks of swimming, at the age of 34. So there goes Ion's theory down the toilet. When you put it within the parameters that he specified (or neglected to consider) I know, I know, eventhough noone verbalized it precisely, you guys are talking about individual placements. Anyway, my point here is, there is much discussion with Ion's theories that are very loosely and un-precisely postulated, and leave a lot to interpretation and twisting of the interpretations into some creative conclusions. This is also in contradiction with his nitpicking the opposing arguments, right down to the level of spelling. He uses one criteria for postulating his own theories, and another for discounting opposing arguments. Former being much more liberal than the latter. Then Ion has the audacity to claim that he is employing critical thinking and scientific reasoning??? BAH! The fact that he uses fancy words on occasion, such as empirical and scientific etc... does not mean that there is substance behind them. Just look at the big picture and the behavior. They;re in contradiction. If you want to know what a person really thinks and says, pay less attention to the words, more attention to actions, reactions, behaviors and demeanor. Words alone are very decieving.

Originally posted by kaelonj The challenge I presented was for me to find a succesful Master swimmer (meaning someone who has made a top ten USMS time) who did not swim during their premium growth year (13 to 19) for VO2 max. If I could find such, then this would prove that your VO2 max handicap is a lame excuse, if I couldn't find such then I would have to give you credit your claim is true. Once again the ball is in your court. You discount everyone's claim of these invisible late starters, the burden is on me to prove it - yet you balk because maybe you realize your claim is bogus. Jeff Um, I already made it to one of the top 10 lists ;) and I have a patch to prove it I know, I know, it was just a relay... But still, that was in my very first meet, just after 3 weeks of swimming, at the age of 34. So there goes Ion's theory down the toilet. When you put it within the parameters that he specified (or neglected to consider) I know, I know, eventhough noone verbalized it precisely, you guys are talking about individual placements. Anyway, my point here is, there is much discussion with Ion's theories that are very loosely and un-precisely postulated, and leave a lot to interpretation and twisting of the interpretations into some creative conclusions. This is also in contradiction with his nitpicking the opposing arguments, right down to the level of spelling. He uses one criteria for postulating his own theories, and another for discounting opposing arguments. Former being much more liberal than the latter. Then Ion has the audacity to claim that he is employing critical thinking and scientific reasoning??? BAH! The fact that he uses fancy words on occasion, such as empirical and scientific etc... does not mean that there is substance behind them. Just look at the big picture and the behavior. They;re in contradiction. If you want to know what a person really thinks and says, pay less attention to the words, more attention to actions, reactions, behaviors and demeanor. Words alone are very decieving.