I am looking for a list of Olympian Masters and what Olympics and events they particpated in. If you have such a list or know where one is, please let me know. Individual anecdotes are OK too.
Background:
I want to write to "Splash" magazine and ask them to feature some of the people on such a list when they write about great swimmers. I'm tired of reading (and having my kids read) about so-and-so great swimmer, who got to the Olympics, did great, and now swimming is behind them (i.e. they don't swim anymore). On the "mission statement" of Splash, they give lip service to a lifelong involvement with swimming, but they never seem to come up with an example of such a person.
wiredknight
Donna,
In all my searching for Olympic Swimmers, I have yet to come across a roster of alternates. Could you please provide me with a link to any site with this information? I would love to have information on all of our alternates.
Also, 63.241.144.244/.../Default.aspx has a good listing of 680+ Olympic Swimmers, with accomplishments and photos.
Isn't that part of the problem? There is no official site or link or listing?
Isn't that part of the problem? There is no official site or link or listing?There are official sites and lists of USA Swimming Olympians. USA Swimming and the USOC both have well documented these lists.
As for alternates, I’m not looking for the “official site”; I’d love to have a link to ANY site, so I can update my links to swimming history.
The USOC never chooses alternates. If they had to, they would move the next qualifier up from the trials results. You can check out the Olympic trial finalists on the USA swimming website.
Yeah, I have that feeling right now, tinged with a nice dash of purist ______. :shakeshead:
Ugh. I hope this isn't the "face" of masters swimming. Insinuation, accusation and detective work by infrequent posters. I'm happy to be branded as mediocre so no one begins an investigation of my college records. God, they were so slow too. In fact, did I really even have any? Do I deserve top ten times even though I didn't travel to any nationals meets this year? So many issues in threads these days ... I'm heading back to my measley gridge races. Peace out.
Hey, Fort, I'm with you; I am not a record holder; the Top Tens I got in USMS aren't even listed (there is only 1 listed), so I guess dementia has set in :rofl:however, when I do my Roatan to Utila swim, (and hope that I can complete that darn thing), I'm filling out FINA paperwork so there will be no doubts whatsoever that I completed that 20 miles according to the rules. Because if I can complete it, it will be my record and I'll have it at least on paper which seems to be vital. And I'll have the boat captain whom I do not know, complete the paperwork, not me. But I will know I did it and that's really what matters. I may even put my swimsuit in a box for 3 months afterwards and celebrate with Monkey La-La's! At least my swim is already raising monies for my charity!
PS: it's the training for it that's the killer!
Frank.....thanks for the link but the point I was making is that USMS should look into finding away to both honor and acknowledge those athletes who are now a part of this organization.
Ms. Fox...according to Sam Bill Barrett is alive and swimming with Brophy here in AZ. I've already started trying to hunt him down as he would be an invaluable asset on our 45+ medley relay!
Fort...as usual I'm always the last to know these things! Somehow can't imagine any fireworks not having Geek involved...or one of the many anonymous Ion's that are floating around here!
Paul:
Sometimes its hard to verify names of olympians, alternates, and olympic trial qualifiers. I helped put a list together many years ago with others and the result of that was the list that was up on the USMS History section, that was up about 5 years ago. Gail Roper keeps the updates of this official list for USMS. Sometimes its very hard because of changed names and impostors. Impostors meaning they think they did it and have poor memories of what happened. The USA Swimming list is good because you can see not only who was on the team but who actually swam to qualify for the team in the results of the Olympic Trials. And then you can tell who the impostors are.
You will get a kick out of this because someone would think that you were an impostor because you went by a different name when you swam for Cal-San Barbara. People knew who Bruce Stahl, Tim Glass, Brent Krantz, Rob Werner, and Ken Neff but did not know you. When you told me your changed name then everyone knew who you were and you were eliminated as a impostor suspect. We discussed this once because I said you should recruit Bruce and yourself back to masters swimming when I didn't know about the changed name.
Donna,
In all my searching for Olympic Swimmers, I have yet to come across a roster of alternates. Could you please provide me with a link to any site with this information? I would love to have information on all of our alternates.
Also, 63.241.144.244/.../Default.aspx has a good listing of 680+ Olympic Swimmers, with accomplishments and photos.
Rob:
Great link. However they list the swimmer from the state of there birth and not actually where they swam. I thought there was swimmers missing until I figured that out.
I know of several alternates to the Olympic Team in 1968; two of us are still swimming, but don't know about Dashelle Stein or Carter Schillig.
The USOC never chooses alternates. If they had to, they would move the next qualifier up from the trials results.
I don't see those two names (mentioned above) in the 1968 Trials results (from the link that Skip provided). Back then, would they have chosen alternates from a meet other than Trials?
Anna Lea
Yeah, I have that feeling right now, tinged with a nice dash of purist/elitist ______. :shakeshead:
Ugh. I hope this isn't the "face" of masters swimming. Insinuation, accusation and detective work by infrequent posters who only post on "Olympic" threads. I'm happy to be branded as mediocre so no one begins an investigation of my would-be college records. I'm heading back to my measley gridge races with the non-Spitzian types. Peace out.
Frank: You've read Deep Water. Nice aside about an Olympic alternate backstroker.[/QUOTE
What is this suppose to mean? I never said anything about an Deep Water or an Olympic backstroker. The swimmer I was talking about in my example supposedly swam in the 1936 Olympic Trials. Please show me where I made those comments. Show me where the is the insinuation and accusation is.
Take my name off your post immediately, Frank. I have had a male poster threatening me via PMs, and I choose not to have my name or personal information on this forum at this time.
I was not referring to you. Your posts are invariably helpful and informative. I was refering to Gail Roper and her outright accusations against another poster, who she believes was not a 1968 olympic alternate, as you may or may not know. However, you did make a one sentence comment above that was quoted by Swimmer Bill. Perhaps he misquoted you. If so, glad to hear it. I have PM'd you what I meant by my reference to Deep Water.
I have just not been a fan of this, now second, public drubbing. Better to grow masters swimming in a different way.
As Stud notes, we are not all big cheeses.
