Olympian Masters ?

Great detective work. Now with this there is an established base of times in the events that we have from one year to the next. There did seem to be improvement in the 100 Back because a converted 1:18.2 LCM time is 1:08.3 which is better than the 1965 time at 1:10.7 but the 200 Back LCM time of 2:56.7 converts to a 2:34.0, which is a slight improvement of the 2:34.4 SCY time from 1965. Unfortunately, that's where it ends. I searched all 12 magazine issues in 1967, and most of 1968, but there were no occurrences of that swimmer. FYI, in December of each year they published the Top 25 United States LC times for each event. In 1966 the top 25 LC times ranged as follows: Women, 100 Back: 1:08.6 to 1:13.7 Women, 200 Back: 2:29.3 to 2:40.5 Anna Lea

I actually don't remember her saying anything about... ref: behind-the-scenes discussions (above). :rolleyes:

Mike Burton swam Masters in the mid 70's in Southern California but asked to have his records and references to his swims removed. I believe he was training to try for the 1980 Games, and USOC rules were not at all happy about the "contamination" that Masters provided to the swimmers of his caliber. Don't know if he ever swam in Masters again, either.

www.usms.org/.../honorees.htm Is Preston Levi currently Director of the Henning Library?

This list designates certain swimmers (usually relay) as "Alternate" with the abbreviation "Alt." A search of the document finds 57 occurrences of the word "Alt." None of these appear to be the swimmer in question. In addition: A search on "Dashelle" turns up 0 occurrences. A search on "Stein" turns up 3 occurrences: Epstein, Steinseifer, and Steinburg. A search on "Carter" turns up 1 occurrence: Keith Eyre Carter, 1948. Searches on "Schillig", "Shillig", "Schilling", and "Shillig" turn up 0 occurrences. Anna Lea Ok. I think I found something. Being the swimming detective that I am I searched thru my vaults of swimming memorabilia and did some investigating and found something interesting in the July 1965 issue of Swimming World. That is the issue that has Thompson Mann on the cover and he used to have the longest time period of any USMS record in the 50 Back. The issue was the one where Donna de Varona announced her retirement from amateur competitive swimming when she just turned 18. On page 18 of the magazine they talk about a meet in Fort Worth, Texas. In the 5th paragraph it says this "Arlington Swim Club's Donna Martin produced three wins, Donna took the 15-17 200 yd. individual medley, 2:36.7, 100 yd. backstroke, 1:10.7, and the open 200 yd. backstroke, 2:34.4. I am wondering if this is the same person as Donna Dunn. I know she said she swam in Arlington and the age of this swimmer in the article is very close to the age that Donna is now. So if this is true, then we have source of paperwork that the swimmer swam during this time period. However, it does not authenticate that she swam in the Olympic Trials or the Olympics.

While you're poking around, can you find the "world" record set at the Indoor Nationals in either 1967 or 68? The time was supposed to be a 1:01.63. Published in Swimming World, May, 1967 1967 Women's National AAU Indoor Championships April 13-15, 1967 Fairview, Ohio; 25-yard pool Women, 100 Backstroke Finals Kay Hall, Tacoma SC, 1:01.6 (note: they didn't publish hundredths back then) Kendis Moore, Ariz.DR, 1:01.8 Pokey Watson, S. Clara, 1:02.0 Cecilia Dougherty, Phila., 1:02.2 Cathy Ferguson, LAAC, 1:02.8 Rebecca Holliman, S. Clara, 1:03.0 None of the above times were flagged as being any sort of record. Published in Swimming World, May 1968 1968 Women's National AAU Indoor Championships April 17-20, 1968 Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA; 25-yard pool Women, 100 Backstroke Finals Kaye Hall, Tac.SC, :59.3 (flagged as American record) Jane Swaggerty, SCSC, 1:00.2 Kendis Moore, Ariz.DR, 1:00.8 Pat Bergman, UNAT, Ind., 1:01.0 Kathy McKitrick, Cleve., 1:01.5 Patt Caffrey, SC Jets, 1:01.6

The current record or one from bygone days? The Channel Swimming Association maintains the original official list of swims and records www.channelswimmingassociation.com The Channel Swimming & Piloting Federation also maintains a list www.channelswimming.net I didn’t see the current record Swimmer 6:57:50 by Petar Stoychev from Bulgaria listed on either site. I don't see my brother Tom's name on the list and he swam the Channel twice in Races accross the Channel. I know he did it and he got prize money. Not solo swims.

Ok. I think I found something. Being the swimming detective that I am I searched thru my vaults of swimming memorabilia and did some investigating and found something interesting in the July 1965 issue of Swimming World. That is the issue that has Thompson Mann on the cover and he used to have the longest time period of any USMS record in the 50 Back. The issue was the one where Donna de Varona announced her retirement from amateur competitive swimming when she just turned 18. On page 18 of the magazine they talk about a meet in Fort Worth, Texas. In the 5th paragraph it says this "Arlington Swim Club's Donna Martin produced three wins, Donna took the 15-17 200 yd. individual medley, 2:36.7, 100 yd. backstroke, 1:10.7, and the open 200 yd. backstroke, 2:34.4. I am wondering if this is the same person as Donna Donn. I know she said she swam in Arlington and the age of this swimmer in the article is very close to the age that Donna is now. So if this is true, then we have source of paperwork that the swimmer swam during this time period. However, it does not authenticate that she swam in the Olympic Trials or the Olympics. Yes, I believe that was ONE of the names Donna competed under when young. Good detective work. Maybe more digging can produce more real info. Go Frank!

Skip, you're amazing! I feel much better knowing there's a matching record. Up to this point, nothing had been found to verify any participation in the 60's. While you're poking around, can you find the "world" record set at the Indoor Nationals in either 1967 or 68? The time was supposed to be a 1:01.63. Also, can you find a record of an English Channel Swim? This sarcasm aside, I'd love to fly down to Texas and do a search through the micro-fiche of all the newspapers. Why don't we just stick to verifying olympic alternate status, Bill, since that is what Gail is avidly investigating and what is at issue.

With any luck Frank will find the definitive goods and you can invite a new friend to your guest room! Guest room? But I've got a real ACTUAL guest cottage. I think she should come there.