I am looking for a list of Olympian Masters and what Olympics and events they particpated in. If you have such a list or know where one is, please let me know. Individual anecdotes are OK too.
Background:
I want to write to "Splash" magazine and ask them to feature some of the people on such a list when they write about great swimmers. I'm tired of reading (and having my kids read) about so-and-so great swimmer, who got to the Olympics, did great, and now swimming is behind them (i.e. they don't swim anymore). On the "mission statement" of Splash, they give lip service to a lifelong involvement with swimming, but they never seem to come up with an example of such a person.
wiredknight
I agree with you Paul as long as we're debating and not inflaming, then like you said some real interaction may work wonders.
Stud.....there should always be a little "imflamation" just to keep it fun.
Geek...wait till Austin when JS & I take you dow "live" and his favorite Taqueria!
Stud.....there should always be a little "imflamation" just to keep it fun.
Geek...wait till Austin when JS & I take you dow "live" and his favorite Taqueria!
All right, you old has been!
I pm'd Rob, post #156. Now, having taken "home" the flamey stuff, I am going to evict it.
As Paul said, I think the debate over credentials is fine, as long as we move on from the deleted bits and name calling and and focus on the here and now. I prefer that topic to the celebrity swimmer adulation. Although I'm always happy to admire a job/swim/workout well done, whoever is doing it. Met Glenn Mills this weekend. He did a great job and is in prime comeback mode.
Fort....actually I'm a current "never was" vs. "has been"!
With Sam's help I'm committed to get Bill Barrett into competition again...Team AZ is shaping up to be VERY tough next May!
Enough already. Please close this thread and take this discussion offline.:whiteflag:
Could you please clarify where I have threatened to ban you?
People have asked about the about reposting deleted items, I responded to Rich’s post not one yours by saying I’ll get in touch with the moderators “and see if they wish to reverse this decision and repost the items and ban the posters” You were not referenced by name or alias. To my knowledge we have not banned or suspended forum privileges for not violating your forum rules and guidelines. So assuming you haven’t violated any of our rules, I don’t see why you would feel threatened.
Yes, I personally do take exception with your remarks about Gail I find them hollow and churlish; and it is unfortunate that you have chosen this public forum to slap her down. Gail’s question on the forum (“What Olympics did you "qualify" for and what country?”) is valid and her request for supporting documentation is what any good historian should do. And I support the great Gail is doing for UMSM. However when I act as a forum administrator, I attempt to place my personal bias aside and do my best to take action fairly.
Sorry to disagree with Glider and others who feel that this thread has gone off track and want it closed down....but I VERY much disagree....this type of debate is extremally important.
As I posted earlier the sad fact is that we live in a worold/time/place where lying and cheating is rampant...in society as well as in sport...my gosh...and Asian badmiton team was DQ'd recently for steroid use....and as i mentioned before people are constantly misrepresenting themselves as former military hero's...and lets not even get started on resume fraud.
Donna....sorry but the fact remains that your credentials are in question and I'm sorry you see it as a personal attack...I really am not in your position and you are free to think/feel what you want but I really do think verification of things like this benefits all sides.
As for what Gail posted...lesson learned to the moderators on deleting public posts.
And last but not leastthe inflammed emotions about what people are writing/reading I would suggest to all parties that if you are REALLY serious about this stuff (and taking anything REALLY serious on public forums is a concern in and of itself)...I would suggest getting on the phone and having a REAL conversation....something of a lost art these days sadly!
I agree with you Paul as long as we're debating and not inflaming, then like you said some real interaction may work wonders.
Great Article - so funny that the author's mother used to say "come along you Pokey Watson." I always thought Donna DeVerona was the youngest swimmer?
Regardless, I may have to name my next "child" after Pokey Watson (it will be the four legged kind that meows).
There's a lot of misinformation here, and it hasn't done anything to clarify the situation. It's frustrating, but there's nothing more frustrating than being told to look for things that aren't there. Repeatedly.
My personal wild goose chase spanned a whole decade of history and included rankings, results, record progressions, and English Channel swimming. Given the scope of the search and the number of questions involved, suggesting that someone was omitted or removed is to suggest an entire generation of elite competitive and international open water history is wrong. That theory doesn’t hold much water.
Good times, but not Olympic caliber times. Remember these are yards times, not meters. Kaye Hall of Tacoma Swim Club swam a sub 1:00 SCY 100 back in 1967. However, the results Skip found are from 1965, so she would have had three years to improve. At least we now have some kind of data. It's a good start!
Bill: In the record progression for the 100 SCY back, I do see that Kendis Moore set a new record, presumably at Spring Nats in 1967, with a 1:01.30. That time is darn close to the 1:01.63 you cited. See:
www.usaswimming.org/.../New In-depth SCY women.pdf
It's too bad USA Swimming doesn't have all the results from past Nationals on their web site, but these in-depth record histories sure are interesting.
Kirk:
The people over at USA Swimming are working on that and it will be up on there website soon. They have also started the Top 16 project and they have a lot of that completed over there now but have a ways to go to capture all of the years since 1960 when the USA Age Group Swimming program really took off.
You can find every AAU/USS/USA Nationals on the Swimming World website in the pdf format if you are a premium member. They started in 1960 and until recently had all off the National Championship results in the back of the magazine. I believe they went to abbreviated results in about the last 7 years because you can find them on many different websites like USA Swimming, Swimming World, and the Omega Timing website if there equipment was used.
The only other place that you can find this is in the Annual AAU Swimming, Diving, Synchro, and Water Polo guides that used to come out and had the rule book, officers, results of all National Championships for every sport. They stopped publishing them in 1980 when all sports became there own governing bodies. They would always report the year before in the annual book. Before 1960, this is the only place that you can find AAU National Championships that are published that I know of.
Also, can you find a record of an English Channel Swim?The current record or one from bygone days?
The Channel Swimming Association maintains the original official list of swims and records www.channelswimmingassociation.com
The Channel Swimming & Piloting Federation also maintains a list www.channelswimming.net
I didn’t see the current record Swimmer 6:57:50 by Petar Stoychev from Bulgaria listed on either site.
Bill and Rob:
This website has every attempt of a solo crosssing that has ever been registered in the history of the event.
www.soloswims.com/CSA-E-F.htm
As I went to CSA page I noticed a lot of names of masters swimmers , USMS forum members and Olympians. The #'s 624, 500, 337, 346, 275, 178, 603, and 470 are very familar names you will recognize. Rob is that you at #624 or an imposter.
