Olympian Masters ?

That's kind of sad...but to each their own. I However tip my hat and to those that have achieved to me what is the one of the greatest accomplishment in sport...those that "show up" at Trials and make Top 2 (4 in relays) are worthy of having an asterick next to theri names (wether they want it or not) for the rest of their lives....and if they are competing in Masters "SWIMMING"...it would be in my opinion disgraceful of us (USMS) not to recognize them. Paul: I think what your saying is great and at one time we had a list published on the History and Archives section of this website but had to take it down because of examples of discussions here. I was one of 50 people on the USMS history project when it started about 8 years ago. When it came to this project, we had kind of a laissezaire attitude in the earlier stages of the project. We put anybody's name that came to us and through the course of this found that people did not belong on it. When Gail Roper got involved, it became more formal, meaning lets have proof of this accomplishement. I made the mistake once and wanted one of my old swim coaches on the list because he was an Olympian and his name was Ron Gora. I heard he swam in the early 1970's but I did not have proof that he swam in any meets and could not find any results that he ever competed in masters even though I was told he did. So he was not included on the list. So that is the opposiite of what is being said here. George gave us 3 examples of this also. I had the misfortune of this happening 20 years ago and when I told the guy that he was not in any of the documentation at the ISHOF, he got really mad. In fact, he got downright mean and said he was going to sue the AAU because they did not list him in any of the results in there Annual Guides regarding the Olympic Trials. I think it would be more disgraceful to USMS to recognize somebody that did not achieve one of the greatest accomplishments of the sport than recognize masters swimmers that you are not sure about as a whole group. That is really unfortunate but like you said in your prior posts, this is happening a lot today and the military was a good example of that. We do however have masters swimmers that are inducted into the ISHOF and I have provide a link to one of the first lists of this. That area there does not seem to have a lot of controversey like the Olympians. Since we have been discussing this, I have had one person approach me and said they had a swimmer that was an alternate on the Olympic team but could not find the name in the Olympic Trial Results. I happen to have those results and next week at a meet I plan on showing them. They do not want to say anything because in situations like this it can be embarrassing for everyone. www.usms.org/.../honorees.htm

That's kind of sad...but to each their own. I However tip my hat and to those that have achieved to me what is the one of the greatest accomplishment in sport...those that "show up" at Trials and make Top 2 (4 in relays) are worthy of having an asterick next to theri names (wether they want it or not) for the rest of their lives....and if they are competing in Masters "SWIMMING"...it would be in my opinion disgraceful of us (USMS) not to recognize them. Paul: I think what your saying is great and at one time we had a list published on the History and Archives section of this website but had to take it down because of examples of discussions here. I was one of 50 people on the USMS history project when it started about 8 years ago. When it came to this project, we had kind of a laissezaire attitude in the earlier stages of the project. We put anybody's name that came to us and through the course of this found that people did not belong on it. When Gail Roper got involved, it became more formal, meaning lets have proof of this accomplishement. I made the mistake once and wanted one of my old swim coaches on the list because he was an Olympian and his name was Ron Gora. I heard he swam in the early 1970's but I did not have proof that he swam in any meets and could not find any results that he ever competed in masters even though I was told he did. So he was not included on the list. So that is the opposiite of what is being said here. George gave us 3 examples of this also. I had the misfortune of this happening 20 years ago and when I told the guy that he was not in any of the documentation at the ISHOF, he got really mad. In fact, he got downright mean and said he was going to sue the AAU because they did not list him in any of the results in there Annual Guides regarding the Olympic Trials. I think it would be more disgraceful to USMS to recognize somebody that did not achieve one of the greatest accomplishments of the sport than recognize masters swimmers that you are not sure about as a whole group. That is really unfortunate but like you said in your prior posts, this is happening a lot today and the military was a good example of that. We do however have masters swimmers that are inducted into the ISHOF and I have provide a link to one of the first lists of this. That area there does not seem to have a lot of controversey like the Olympians. Since we have been discussing this, I have had one person approach me and said they had a swimmer that was an alternate on the Olympic team but could not find the name in the Olympic Trial Results. I happen to have those results and next week at a meet I plan on showing them. They do not want to say anything because in situations like this it can be embarrassing for everyone. www.usms.org/.../honorees.htm