Olympian Masters ?

Comments for Gail... There do seem to be some discrepancies between the 1968 Trials results and the USOC listing of athletes (http://www.usoc.org/13220.htm). The 1968 Trials results show: MEN'S 100 BREASTSTROKE FINALS Donald McKenzie, 1:07.41 Kenneth Merten, 1:07.79 David Perkowski, 1:08.25 Brian Job, 1:08.36 Chester Jastremski, 1:08.55 Micael Dirksen, 1:08.76 Kenneth Doesburg, 1:08.77 Philip Long, 1:08.83 MEN'S 200 BREASTSTROKE FINALS Brian Job, 2:28.95 Kenneth Merten, 2:29.97 Philip Long, 2:30.57 David Perkowski, 2:31.76 Chester Jastremski, 2:31.78 Wayne Anderson, 2:31.81 Michael Dirksen, 2:32.02 Kenneth Doesburg, 2:32.30 The USOC web site (http://www.usoc.org/13220.htm) lists these athletes as follows: Donald McKenzie: 1968 Swimming 100 Meter Breaststroke Individual - Gold Medal Kenneth Merten: 1968 Swimming 100 Meter Backstroke Individual - Eliminated; 1968 Swimming 200 Meter Breaststroke Individual - Eliminated (my comment: he didn't swim backstroke at Trials; do they mean breaststroke?) David Perkowski: 1968 Swimming 100 Meter Backstroke Individual - Eliminated (my comment: he didn't swim backstroke at Trials; do they mean breaststroke?) Brian Job: 1968 Swimming 200 Meter Breaststroke Individual - Bronze Medal Chester Jastremski: 1968 Swimming Swimming Individual - Did Not Compete Philip Long: 1968 Swimming 200 Meter Breaststroke Individual - 7th ----------------------- Another odd thing... The ISHOF biography of Chester Jastremski (www.ishof.org/.../77cjastremski.html) says, "...in 1968 he allowed too little time for his comeback as he made alternate in the Trials and actually swam .02 seconds faster at the Olympics than the winning time when allowed to swim the heats for the U.S. Medley Relay Team..." - Ann Lea: That information about Ken Merten and David Perkowski is incorrect. They both swam breaststroke at the Olympic Trails and in the Olympics. They do however list the correct information on the 100 and 200 Backstroke. At the 1968 Olympics, the USA in both events went 2-3-4, with Roland Matthes winning both events and again doing the same thing in 1972. In 1968, in the 100 Back, Charlie Hickox was 2nd, Ronnie Mills was 3rd, and Larry Barbiere was 4th. In the 200 Back, it was Mitch Ivey 2nd, Jack Horsley 3rd, and Gary Hall 4th. In the old days, they used to take alternates to the Olympics if there event involved a Relay slot. This is why Chet Jastremski was chosen because he had the next place up the slot in breastroke. Even though he was 5th at the Olympic Trials, the top 3 go and Brian Job was already going in the 200, so he would swam as an alternate on the relay if the other three failed to make top 8 or there times were not satisfactory with the coaches. With this meet being at altitude some swimmers were not adjusted to it as well as others compared to when they swim at sea level. Sometimes there were swim offs with the certain members of the team to determine who would swim in the prelims. I am not sure if this happen here but it did use to happen when the individual events were not on the program. Ken Merten went a 1:10.6 and failed to qualify for the semi finals. David Perkowski made the semi finals with a 1:09.50 but did not make the final when he did a 1:09.0 and got 9th place. Ian Obrien from Australia got the 8th place spot with the identical time and I don't know if they had a swim off or they when to the Ritter touch place machine to determine who would be in the final. Because of this swim, the coaches used Chet in the prelims of the Relay. In the prelims of the Relay, Chet split 1:09.30 and that was a far cry from what Donald McKenize did in the individual event when he won the gold medal at 1:07.7 and he swam a split of 1:07.4 in the gold medal 400 Medley Relay with Hickox, Russell, and Walsh and they won by over 2.5 seconds and set the World Record. Usually if you say you are an alternate for the Olympic Team that means you placed 4th at the Olympic Trials selection meet. Bob Thomas who swim masters sometimes and is the Coach of Ball State Universlty had a sister who was an alternate on the 1968 Olympic team because she took 4th place in the 400 IM at the Olympic Trials. In 1984, when only two swimmers would make the team per individual event, then the 3rd place finisher would be considered the alternate and would swim if someone would scratch the event and not swim it in the Olympics. Bryce Hunt was an alternate in the 200 Back at the 2004 Olympic Trials but because Michael Phelps decided to not swim the event, he moved up a slot to make the Olympic Team. That is how the word alternate is used in Olympic team selection. www.bsu.edu/.../

Comments for Gail... There do seem to be some discrepancies between the 1968 Trials results and the USOC listing of athletes (http://www.usoc.org/13220.htm). The 1968 Trials results show: MEN'S 100 BREASTSTROKE FINALS Donald McKenzie, 1:07.41 Kenneth Merten, 1:07.79 David Perkowski, 1:08.25 Brian Job, 1:08.36 Chester Jastremski, 1:08.55 Micael Dirksen, 1:08.76 Kenneth Doesburg, 1:08.77 Philip Long, 1:08.83 MEN'S 200 BREASTSTROKE FINALS Brian Job, 2:28.95 Kenneth Merten, 2:29.97 Philip Long, 2:30.57 David Perkowski, 2:31.76 Chester Jastremski, 2:31.78 Wayne Anderson, 2:31.81 Michael Dirksen, 2:32.02 Kenneth Doesburg, 2:32.30 The USOC web site (http://www.usoc.org/13220.htm) lists these athletes as follows: Donald McKenzie: 1968 Swimming 100 Meter Breaststroke Individual - Gold Medal Kenneth Merten: 1968 Swimming 100 Meter Backstroke Individual - Eliminated; 1968 Swimming 200 Meter Breaststroke Individual - Eliminated (my comment: he didn't swim backstroke at Trials; do they mean breaststroke?) David Perkowski: 1968 Swimming 100 Meter Backstroke Individual - Eliminated (my comment: he didn't swim backstroke at Trials; do they mean breaststroke?) Brian Job: 1968 Swimming 200 Meter Breaststroke Individual - Bronze Medal Chester Jastremski: 1968 Swimming Swimming Individual - Did Not Compete Philip Long: 1968 Swimming 200 Meter Breaststroke Individual - 7th ----------------------- Another odd thing... The ISHOF biography of Chester Jastremski (www.ishof.org/.../77cjastremski.html) says, "...in 1968 he allowed too little time for his comeback as he made alternate in the Trials and actually swam .02 seconds faster at the Olympics than the winning time when allowed to swim the heats for the U.S. Medley Relay Team..." - Ann Lea: That information about Ken Merten and David Perkowski is incorrect. They both swam breaststroke at the Olympic Trails and in the Olympics. They do however list the correct information on the 100 and 200 Backstroke. At the 1968 Olympics, the USA in both events went 2-3-4, with Roland Matthes winning both events and again doing the same thing in 1972. In 1968, in the 100 Back, Charlie Hickox was 2nd, Ronnie Mills was 3rd, and Larry Barbiere was 4th. In the 200 Back, it was Mitch Ivey 2nd, Jack Horsley 3rd, and Gary Hall 4th. In the old days, they used to take alternates to the Olympics if there event involved a Relay slot. This is why Chet Jastremski was chosen because he had the next place up the slot in breastroke. Even though he was 5th at the Olympic Trials, the top 3 go and Brian Job was already going in the 200, so he would swam as an alternate on the relay if the other three failed to make top 8 or there times were not satisfactory with the coaches. With this meet being at altitude some swimmers were not adjusted to it as well as others compared to when they swim at sea level. Sometimes there were swim offs with the certain members of the team to determine who would swim in the prelims. I am not sure if this happen here but it did use to happen when the individual events were not on the program. Ken Merten went a 1:10.6 and failed to qualify for the semi finals. David Perkowski made the semi finals with a 1:09.50 but did not make the final when he did a 1:09.0 and got 9th place. Ian Obrien from Australia got the 8th place spot with the identical time and I don't know if they had a swim off or they when to the Ritter touch place machine to determine who would be in the final. Because of this swim, the coaches used Chet in the prelims of the Relay. In the prelims of the Relay, Chet split 1:09.30 and that was a far cry from what Donald McKenize did in the individual event when he won the gold medal at 1:07.7 and he swam a split of 1:07.4 in the gold medal 400 Medley Relay with Hickox, Russell, and Walsh and they won by over 2.5 seconds and set the World Record. Usually if you say you are an alternate for the Olympic Team that means you placed 4th at the Olympic Trials selection meet. Bob Thomas who swim masters sometimes and is the Coach of Ball State Universlty had a sister who was an alternate on the 1968 Olympic team because she took 4th place in the 400 IM at the Olympic Trials. In 1984, when only two swimmers would make the team per individual event, then the 3rd place finisher would be considered the alternate and would swim if someone would scratch the event and not swim it in the Olympics. Bryce Hunt was an alternate in the 200 Back at the 2004 Olympic Trials but because Michael Phelps decided to not swim the event, he moved up a slot to make the Olympic Team. That is how the word alternate is used in Olympic team selection. www.bsu.edu/.../