Swim info has this article:
swiminfo.com/.../3387.asp
Which discusses a new organization for competitive swimming called Adult Swimming Association. Apparantly the initiator is unhappy with the various things that USMS does that are not directly related to competitive swimming, such as the promotion of fitness. Also, he is unhappy with the structure of the national meets. He proposes several variations of the age group structure.
Any thoughts or insights?
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Former Member
ASA stands for Amateur Swimming Association, Great Britain. Any copyright infractions here?
My general objection to this Bell/Deeter group, apart from the inaccuracies and revisionist history, is B/D's overt grab for money, under the pretense that they can record world records - but ONLY for those rich enough to send fat fees to B/D.
1. Is the real purpose of this group to "allow" us to "own" a record, have our names in print, and to charge us money for buying into Vanity Press?
2. Should group call itself "SWC", aka Swimmers With Cash? There will be countless numbers of swimmers who may set world times but may not have the cash to buy access to this exclusive group's lists of Swimmers With Cash.
3. I know my history: USMS emerged from Dr Ransom Arthur's efforts (w AAU too) re FITNESS. Check with Dr. Paul Hutinger, another fitness pioneer from the 1970 launch of this fitness program for swimmers.
4. "Adult" nowadays means pornographic. Perhaps this is really what Bell/Deeter mean! (I've asked them, by e-mail, to clarify this - and to answer questions relating to my other comments here.)
5.Is this a "confidence" hustle similar to the latest versions of an imitation "Who's Who" where people are asked to send lots of dollars to a publisher, in exchange for being printed up with their own (invented?) information/ego boosters!
Here, folks are being asked to send lots of dollars to have their own information printed up by Bell/Deeter, who - like kingmakers - will pronounce someone the champ. Never mind all the other, faster folk who just didn't have the cash to buy the space and attention.
6.For those who join (becoming shareholders?) the Bell group, which by my calculation will haul in the dollars: will the profits/proceeds be shared by Bell and Board (which seems a tightly-controlled group of "in" people)?
How did Bell/Deeter get hold of my/other USMS addresses? They've already e-mailed me (last night) ON their "adultswimming" system, despite their never having asked/consulted with me.
7. Will their books, accounts, lists etc., be available to all who join Bell/Deeter?
Many other questions - this is enuff for today.hb.
ASA stands for Amateur Swimming Association, Great Britain. Any copyright infractions here?
My general objection to this Bell/Deeter group, apart from the inaccuracies and revisionist history, is B/D's overt grab for money, under the pretense that they can record world records - but ONLY for those rich enough to send fat fees to B/D.
1. Is the real purpose of this group to "allow" us to "own" a record, have our names in print, and to charge us money for buying into Vanity Press?
2. Should group call itself "SWC", aka Swimmers With Cash? There will be countless numbers of swimmers who may set world times but may not have the cash to buy access to this exclusive group's lists of Swimmers With Cash.
3. I know my history: USMS emerged from Dr Ransom Arthur's efforts (w AAU too) re FITNESS. Check with Dr. Paul Hutinger, another fitness pioneer from the 1970 launch of this fitness program for swimmers.
4. "Adult" nowadays means pornographic. Perhaps this is really what Bell/Deeter mean! (I've asked them, by e-mail, to clarify this - and to answer questions relating to my other comments here.)
5.Is this a "confidence" hustle similar to the latest versions of an imitation "Who's Who" where people are asked to send lots of dollars to a publisher, in exchange for being printed up with their own (invented?) information/ego boosters!
Here, folks are being asked to send lots of dollars to have their own information printed up by Bell/Deeter, who - like kingmakers - will pronounce someone the champ. Never mind all the other, faster folk who just didn't have the cash to buy the space and attention.
6.For those who join (becoming shareholders?) the Bell group, which by my calculation will haul in the dollars: will the profits/proceeds be shared by Bell and Board (which seems a tightly-controlled group of "in" people)?
How did Bell/Deeter get hold of my/other USMS addresses? They've already e-mailed me (last night) ON their "adultswimming" system, despite their never having asked/consulted with me.
7. Will their books, accounts, lists etc., be available to all who join Bell/Deeter?
Many other questions - this is enuff for today.hb.
