Major 1650 sandbagging by a forum member

Can't we all just get along? Afterall, sprinters have too much testosterone to admit to any wrong doing. Distance swimmers have killed too many brain cells by spending so much time in the water to admit that sprinters do provide them some rest at meets,esp. when split requests come into play. Plus sprinters are very capable of operating the counters for the distance freaks too.

To meet directors;if someone asked to be in an early heat so they could leave early,would you accommodate them? Also to meet directors,the rule book suggests that the fastest person in their age and gender can be seeded so that they do not have an outside lane,how often does that happen?

Fine! I will take "misrepresentation" off the list. The others terms are histrionic, inflammatory and false, which you concede by omission. :) Nah, I just didn't use them in this thread so I couldn't work up the emotional heat to defend them. It isn't too hard to make an ethical case against either practice, which doesn't necessarily mean much since philosophers love to argue. Whether it is one you would accept is another story. To meet directors;if someone asked to be in an early heat so they could leave early,would you accommodate them? Speaking only for myself: no. Nor would I heed a request for a middle lane or to be seeded with no swimmers in the next lanes. Split requests of course would be honored! Actually the majority of split requests I've had to process as a Top 10 Recorder were not similar to Patrick's but were from people who didn't stop racing after the requested split but just kept going. We just have hardier folk here in Virginia I guess. Maybe that's why Patrick left? :)

But don't expect a sprinter to either think like this or attempt this. It's not in our DNA, it is definitely not "part of challenge," and we don't have the requisite physiology. Sprinters are all about getting adequate rest between events. You can malign us for this tongue in cheek, but that is just the way it is. You carry on with your approach, and we'll carry on with ours. Calling you out on this. I know two USMS sprinters, one being the fastest female in the nation, who never backs down from loading up. The other is an almost-equally talented swimmer that I coach. I've seen them both do 3-4 individual events in a 4 hour period, including free and medley relays AND get high point award. So, it isn't just the way it is for every sprinter.

Calling you out on this. I know two USMS sprinters, one being the fastest female in the nation, who never backs down from loading up. The other is an almost-equally talented swimmer that I coach. I've seen them both do 3-4 individual events in a 4 hour period, including free and medley relays AND get high point award. So, it isn't just the way it is for every sprinter. There is always the exception. I'm guessing the fastest sprinter in the nation is not a geezer. I've done 3-4 events on many occasions in a 4 hour period as well, including two days in a row at our recent Zones meet. That doesn't mean that I like "loading up" and wouldn't always prefer more rest. I also don't appreciate some distance swimmer telling me what my "challenge" is. I would prefer mutual respect. Just sayin".

It isn't too hard to make an ethical case against either practice, which doesn't necessarily mean much since philosophers love to argue. Whether it is one you would accept is another story. Honestly, I think I'm more open minded on the topic than you. :). I can see both sides, though I concede I don't like the name calling. I'm not sure I've ever seen you agree that there could be a valid or acceptable reason for sandbagging. Split requests you are forced to live with, as you note.

To meet directors;if someone asked to be in an early heat so they could leave early,would you accommodate them? Also to meet directors,the rule book suggests that the fastest person in their age and gender can be seeded so that they do not have an outside lane,how often does that happen? When feasible, reasonable and allowable in our rules; I try to accommodate requests from swimmers. After all, I am running the meet for the swimmers. I generally don’t go back and manually re-seed to move the fastest swimmers out of outside lanes. I will however try to move people to outside lanes if they request one.

There is always the exception. I'm guessing the fastest sprinter in the nation is not a geezer. Both are well over 35.

Both are well over 35. Erika and Ruth in NC? They are both total studs. But things can be different when you're AARP eligible. To be fair, I may sometimes over-estimate how much rest I need. But I still vastly prefer it especially for 100s, and am looking forward to only 2 events per day in Indy.

Actually the majority of split requests I've had to process as a Top 10 Recorder were not similar to Patrick's but were from people who didn't stop racing after the requested split but just kept going.Oh, Chris, if you saw the 1st four 50 splits from my 1,650; looked at my lack of training since November and then looked at the rest of the 1,650 splits, you will understand that I did just "keep going" after the 200 ... there just wasn't much more "go" in the tank. We just have hardier folk here in Virginia I guess. Maybe that's why Patrick left? :)I left Virginia because it's too cold, grey and rainy for my sunny disposition. Still trying to get to someplace that's a bit warmer year-round, but that's probably going to have to wait until retirement. Speaking of not being hearty (cue non sequitur), weren't we supposed to have full body, rubber tech suits back in the sport since Michael "Whiny Speedo-Pants Not as Fast as Jaked Suit" Phelps retired? Man, I miss those.