Looks like it is to gain 20 minutes of rest before doing the 400 IM.
What do you folks think? Fair play or not?
I say anyone attempting the 1650 and 400 IM back to back deserves some slack.
This was hardly a neutrally worded question: "Aren't doing split requests fundamentally unethical and egocentric; doing your own special event that suits your convenience in the beginning of completely different event for everyone else in the heat?"
Sprinters are true divas. However, I note we rarely "get our underwear in a bundle" (to quote the sheepish sandbagger) about sandbagging or split requests. And we clearly are not the only ones using them.
I like Gull's proposal.
I agree 100% with Forts posts!
Your suit may fall off. So might your goggles or caps. The person next to you false starts. You false start. You get psyched for nationals and find an empty lane next to you. Or both. Or you miss your lane and event. Someone gets a split request next to you. You get a split request. Someone swims the elementary backstroke for the 1650. That someone is you (!). This is what masters s all about. It's for everyone, but that doesn't mean you can have everything your way all the time. We have to accomodate each other. Budget your whole day, bring your snacks, and just have a good time.
It's a tough double either way, but I think the guys have a tougher double between the two sexes. Women swim the 1000 first, then wait for the 10-11 minutes of the Men's 1000 before they swim the 200 Free. Men swim the 1000 Free, wait the 2-3 minutes of the Women's 200 Free, and then it's go time again.
Maybe I'm just whining now...I'll go home. :)
Only when it's a co-ed dual meet (which most of ours weren't). She had to double back to back and race both times... Just sayin' :)
Your suit may fall off. So might your goggles or caps. The person next to you false starts. You false start. You get psyched for nationals and find an empty lane next to you. Or both. Or you miss your lane and event. Someone gets a split request next to you. You get a split request. Someone swims the elementary backstroke for the 1650. That someone is you (!). This is what masters s all about. It's for everyone, but that doesn't mean you can have everything your way all the time. We have to accomodate each other. Budget your whole day, bring your snacks, and just have a good time.
I was going to comment on the childish, petulant vein that this thread has plumbed, even wanting to berate one or more for calling others rude names unnecessarily, but Michelle has encouraged me that not everyone is looking to deny someone else the opportunity to enter an event on their own terms and within the rules.
Any anti sandbagging rule will necessarily carry with it unintended consequences, possibly severe. What those may be is open to speculation, but I would guess that it could reach beyond the pool deck, possibly affecting entries to some meets. Lest the members here think this is an exclusive hand wringing process of the forums, please know that the Championship committee wrestles with the subject on a regular basis. Not because of the ethics or moral nature of sandbagging, but because it can affect timelines of nationals adversely and an 8 hour day can easily turn into 10 or 12 if the right people sandbag and cause a particular modification of the seeding.
I sandbagged my time for the 1000 today (by about 2 minutes) and won my heat, but I was in a heat with 7 other sandbaggers so I didn't win by much. I am a sprinter by nature and like to swim middle distance events, I just don't feel like competing against people who take it too seriously. The slower heats have a camaraderie, or feeling of participation rather than head to head competition. Other than nationals, most heats are made up of several age groups and both sexes, so it is less likely that one is going to have all of their direct competitors all together, no matter what the rules do.
I'm still waiting to see the suit-falling-off scenario.
Right. It's only Masters.
No, chowmi agreed with my "posts" and I stated that I would "never say it's only masters." :)
I didn't see any name calling, Mike. With the recent uptick in forum moderation, a true name caller would have gotten the boot! The only real name calling (egocentric, unethical) was apparently hypothetical.
I remember doing this exact thing in college once. I was the swimmer in the 1000 Free/200 Free back to back. My coach knew I could easily win the 1000, but I was instructed to swim just fast enough to beat all the opposing team's swimmers (about a 10:20), then I had to step up to the 200 Free to race my former H.S. teammate in the 200 Free and beat him. We both went under 1:45s then if I remember right.
That was back when our college meets used hardwritten cards for our lane assignments. After the 1000, my h.s. buddy congratulated me on a "lazy swim", and I just laughed it off with him. Then my coach came up to the end of my lane with my card for the 200 Free. "Wait...he's doing the 200 Free also?!?!??" was his response. The look on his face changed dramatically too. :)
We had a swimmer on my college team that fairly regularly doubled the 1000 and 200 frees. She had to race to win some of those 1000's, though, so our coach would put someone else in the 1000 to swim it fairly slow and give her some recovery time in between. Was never an issue with other coaches or swimmers as far as I remember.
You're completely correct. Since I asked hypothetical questions I think they are arguing with how they assume I would answer (which I didn't). For my next illusion, I'm going to get a bunch of sprinters all worked up.
This was hardly a neutrally worded question: "Aren't doing split requests fundamentally unethical and egocentric; doing your own special event that suits your convenience in the beginning of completely different event for everyone else in the heat?"
Sprinters are true divas. However, I note we rarely "get our underwear in a bundle" (to quote the sheepish sandbagger) about sandbagging or split requests. And we clearly are not the only ones using them.
I like Gull's proposal.
