New Proposed Metric: Jim's Weight-Weighted 50

I'm working on a piece about obesity and the biological factors that can make sustaining significant wt loss so hard for so many people. The benefits of exercise, however, are not limited to the lean and abdominally chiseled! Even if swimming only helps you shed a couple pounds, or none at all, getting in shape can make a huge difference in life quality. I have been playing around with a motivational strategy to encourage more people to compete regardless of their weight. To wit, my still-in-the-works concept, Jim's Weight-Weighted 50 SCY Free. This is likely to require substantial refinement (suggestions welcome!) But as of now, my new metric is the soul of simplicity. Just take your current season's best 50 SCY freestyle time and and divide this by your BMI, or body mass index. I am using the 50 SCY free because almost all of us can come up with this. You can also easily calculate your BMI by feeding your current height and weight in here (no cheating, please!): nhlbisupport.com/.../bminojs.htm Clearly there are flaws in my metric. The first to jump out at me is that women's times, on average, tend to be a bit slower, especially on sprints, so we need to correct for this. The current SCM world record (no world records for yards) for the 50 free is about 3 seconds faster for men than women. For purposes of my poll, women who agree to participate should subtract 3 seconds from their current season best 50! I am, also arbitrarily, designating 1.0 as "par"--and your goal is to get your number as low as you can. The Weight-Weighted Metric Exemplified For example: take four men-- A) one with a BMI of 22, which places him or her squarely in the ranks of the lean B) one with a BMI of 25, which puts him or her right on the cusp of an overweight categorization C) one with a BMI of 30 (beginning of obesity ) D) one with a BMI of 33 (beginning of morbid obesity) Now assume all four of these men can swim a 50 SCY freestyle in exactly 30 seconds. Person A's "Jim's Weight-Weighted 50" would be 30/22 or 1.36 Person B earns a better 1.2 Person C achieves an even better 1.0 and Person D wins the day with a magnificent .91 If you recalculate these values for women, i.e., same BMIs but subtracting 3 seconds from their in season 50 SCY times, you get: A: time of 27/ BMI of 22 = 1.23 B: 1.08 C: .9 D: .82 For what it's worth, I am a man, and my (admittedly lackluster) best 50 SCY free so far this year is 25.55. I currently weigh 178 lb. and my height is 6' 1", which gives me a BMI is 23.5. Thus my Jim's Jim's Weight-Weighted 50 is 25.55/23.5, or 1.087 There are two ways for me to get closer to par: swim faster, or gain weight. Given the tremendous stigma on weight in our country, I don't think very many folks are likely to opt for the latter, or, for that matter, use my new metric as an incentive to eat more. What I do think it could conceivably do is allow quite a few people now struggling with their weight to lay some legitimate claim to being--pound for pound--among the elite ranks in USMS swimming! Give it a try!
  • An open turn 50 free can be very costly. Add being skinny to the mix and your JW-W 50 score will go sky high Hey, you try doing flip turns with Meniere's! :eek: Thankfully, my strongest stroke is breaststroke, where I can do open turns without getting seasick. As for being skinny, the doc says I'm just fine at 5-71/2 and 123 lbs. :thhbbb: :D
  • Elaine, Due to my glacial 50y time you are no longer alone in the over 1.4 group. I would need to add 50 pounds of fat to change my BMI to 30 from 23 to move to the 1.3-1.39 column. :smooch: Misery loves company! Welcome! :wave:
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    Ah yes, we all like to play with numbers. I came in right at 0.893. So...uh, yeah. It is more about my obesity and less about being a sprinter. I think we lose muscle mass as we get old, so maybe there should be an age component in your metric?
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    I too have bones to pick with BMI because of the crudeness of the measure for folks who are very muscular/large-boned and even moreso the over-reliance on the BMI as a measure of general health. :soapbox: As you mentioned in your original post, there are various biological reasons people may have trouble sustaining weight loss. I have a chronic illness and at times have had to take medications that made it very easy to gain weight and extremely hard to it, increasing my BMI - but they also stabilized my illness, which was at times almost completely disabling. It is absolutely infuriating to be told, "You're not healthy because your BMI is too high," when other factors of your health are not being considered at all. It sounds like your article is about benefits of exercise other than just losing weight. Refreshing!
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    according to that bmi chart i'm 26.6 (overweight...i blame it on bluebell ice cream!!!) 22.10 / 26.6 = 0.830 I'm a transplant to the Deep South. When I get homesick I make a list of all the good things about living here. Blue Bell Ice Cream is invariably at the top. Sometimes it's a short list, but delicious!
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    I am the only one who voted "over 1.40" so far, due to my 19 BMI and slow 50 free. :sad: Elaine, Due to my glacial 50y time you are no longer alone in the over 1.4 group. I would need to add 50 pounds of fat to change my BMI to 30 from 23 to move to the 1.3-1.39 column.
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    Dang dude... that is awesome! 8 waist sizes??? Holy Cow! Right now at about 250-260 I wear about a 36-8 depending if its dress paints or jeans... I can't imagine getting down to a size 30-32 again! My goal for the beginning of March for my first meet in 25 years is to be about 240... then in June be down to 225.
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    Tangential, but possibly of interest since there was mention of swimming speed pound per pound: "Pound for pound, the strongest girl in the world may be Naomi Kutin, a ten-year-old from Fair Lawn, New Jersey, who weighs only ninety-nine pounds but can squat and deadlift more than twice that much." From a New Yorker article on strength competitions www.newyorker.com/.../120723fa_fact_bilger
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    Dang dude... that is awesome! 8 waist sizes??? Holy Cow! Right now at about 250-260 I wear about a 36-8 depending if its dress paints or jeans... I can't imagine getting down to a size 30-32 again! My goal for the beginning of March for my first meet in 25 years is to be about 240... then in June be down to 225. Good luck on your goals. If I learned anything its all about taking a little at a time with regards to lifestyle changes. I was wearing 42 pants, now I can easily get into 34 's, but I normally wear 36's just for "crotch clearance" because I like being comfortable, lol. Had to buy all new clothes. Jim, Trust me I know how that goes, I don't really talk about my weight loss to that many people in my circle of friends, mainly because I don't want people to get discouraged with how "easy" I appear to drop it. In all reality I've busted my ass for 3 years (moreso the last 9 months) to get where i'm at... not that I wanted to turn this topic into a "look how much i lost" discussion either :) I wanna see someone drop a JW-W score lower than me so I can set up a race :)
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    Well give me a few months and we can have that race! Of course I didn't swim in college and didn't swim after I was 10. But I can give you a run for your money once I get in swim shape! J/k... kinda. Still impressed man with your dedication over the last 3 years. Sounds like you are about the same size as me height wise 6-1- 6-2. Its funny on the weightlifting boards I used to go to all the guys were 5'8-5'10... with the occasional 6'6 guy. Here its like everyone is 6'1+. Obviously there are shorter people but being tall does lend itself to swimming.