Top 10 Listings for LCM 2012

Thank you, Rob. It is true that there is nothing to be sad about when you get beaten by Megan Jendrick. I was just taken on the wrong foot when those times suddenly got added and I knew LCM was over and no way to get even a little closer to her times. Luckily I have one more year before aging up! Since I have clarity now why those times got added, it's all good and I can't wait for next LCM season! Thank you for doing such a phenomenal job! I didn't know who you were so I guess the PRO DUEL meet did not apply to you but it did others. You still won 2 events in the Top Ten and others were not so fortunate. Others were very fortunate. Someone at my practice today wanted to know why Cullen Jones's times were not included in the Top Ten and National Records since he swam faster times than the listed National Record at Olympic Trials. When this swimmer was in Greensboro at the USMS Nationals he saw Josh Schneider at 19.36, Cullen at 19.53 and Nick Brunelli at 19.65 all winning in their age groups of 18-24, 25-29, and 30-34 and this was the first time in the history of USMS that all of our younger age groups have gone under 20 seconds for the 50 Free. So at the Olympic Trials all 3 of these swimmers swam the 50 and 100 Free and should have the USMS National Records, RIGHT. Cullen did not get a National Record like the others in Greensboro because he missed it but his time in Omaha broke an almost historic, going on 30 year National Record at 21.59 and he was a member doing it. Cullen has no individual event masters records so why doesn't he have the record? Why would not only he get the record, he is not even iin the USMS Top Ten? This is inconsistent because he was in the Top Ten for the Short Course Yards rankings and NOT in the LCM rankings? Was it because he was an Olympian? What's the deal? These were some of the questions that I attempted to answer and many people have questions about how this process works and here will use Cullen as an example. The USMS Short Course Nationals is a Sanctioned event and the Olympic Trials is a Recognized event. I believe all times from members count in a Sanctioned event unless a swimmer specifically states they want to swim exhibition. I recall last year that Natalie Coughlin swam in a meet and requested her times not to count for USMS purposes. So I think this is the only reason that you could not have your times count in a sanctioned event. Because this was a USA Sanctioned Olympic Trials selection meet, the meet host is not responsible for any reporting of any times, of any records to anyone except the sanctioning organization it serves and in this case it USA Swimming, USOC, and FINA. Just because we are part of the USAS aquatic family does not mean we get this service. So its the swimmers responsibility or the organization responsibility to report the times and records and that is what was done here as explained by Chris. This is a Recognized meet so the times automatically count. Cullen must have not wanted his times to count for USMS, for both Top Ten and USMS Records because otherwise you would see them there at least the Top Ten part because he is a current member and all current members were reported. If he wanted the times reported, then the National Records would follow. There were 23 USMS National Records that are pending right now and some have been accepted and some are still in the process of waiting. So this is an example of how a time was not submitted. The sprinters in the 25-29 age group do not have to deal with Cullen like the 18-24 and 30-34 swimmers do with Schneider and Brunelli. This is just one example of swimmers not getting into the Top Ten and so I believe that as many swimmers from Olympic Trials got in there are as many that did not. Here are reasons why. 1. A swimmer must be a 2012 USMS registered swimmer to even be considered for Top Ten and Records and it doesn't matter if they were a member in previous years. Janet Evans, Dara Torres and Edwin Moses come to mind but there are probably many others as well. 2. Top Ten times must be reported by someone and in this case it was the USMS National Office. In a meet this complex that makes sense and since we had our National Meet one day after the OT were over that makes even more sense. Pool measurement guidelines were mush easier because this was a fixed wall pool and measurements were taken in a reasonable time by both organizations of USA Swimming and USMS. 3. Swimmers have to be identified that are eligible USMS Members and they give their permission if they want there times to count and it does not matter if they went to other meets like Greensboro, they must consent. Because of the Olympics and other National Team meets, swimmers were given extra time to do this and its not just consent, if a record is set they have to get birth certificate and passport in during the required time period of 90 days after the season ends. This is known as the Sabir Muhammad rule. 4 USMS Record Applications have to be filed after steps 1 2, and 3 are accomplished. This was done by someone in USMS that got the Omega Timing system backup times along with the Meet Referee signatures. So this is the process as complex as it gets and might explain questions that people have about the process.

Thank you, Rob. It is true that there is nothing to be sad about when you get beaten by Megan Jendrick. I was just taken on the wrong foot when those times suddenly got added and I knew LCM was over and no way to get even a little closer to her times. Luckily I have one more year before aging up! Since I have clarity now why those times got added, it's all good and I can't wait for next LCM season! Thank you for doing such a phenomenal job! I didn't know who you were so I guess the PRO DUEL meet did not apply to you but it did others. You still won 2 events in the Top Ten and others were not so fortunate. Others were very fortunate. Someone at my practice today wanted to know why Cullen Jones's times were not included in the Top Ten and National Records since he swam faster times than the listed National Record at Olympic Trials. When this swimmer was in Greensboro at the USMS Nationals he saw Josh Schneider at 19.36, Cullen at 19.53 and Nick Brunelli at 19.65 all winning in their age groups of 18-24, 25-29, and 30-34 and this was the first time in the history of USMS that all of our younger age groups have gone under 20 seconds for the 50 Free. So at the Olympic Trials all 3 of these swimmers swam the 50 and 100 Free and should have the USMS National Records, RIGHT. Cullen did not get a National Record like the others in Greensboro because he missed it but his time in Omaha broke an almost historic, going on 30 year National Record at 21.59 and he was a member doing it. Cullen has no individual event masters records so why doesn't he have the record? Why would not only he get the record, he is not even iin the USMS Top Ten? This is inconsistent because he was in the Top Ten for the Short Course Yards rankings and NOT in the LCM rankings? Was it because he was an Olympian? What's the deal? These were some of the questions that I attempted to answer and many people have questions about how this process works and here will use Cullen as an example. The USMS Short Course Nationals is a Sanctioned event and the Olympic Trials is a Recognized event. I believe all times from members count in a Sanctioned event unless a swimmer specifically states they want to swim exhibition. I recall last year that Natalie Coughlin swam in a meet and requested her times not to count for USMS purposes. So I think this is the only reason that you could not have your times count in a sanctioned event. Because this was a USA Sanctioned Olympic Trials selection meet, the meet host is not responsible for any reporting of any times, of any records to anyone except the sanctioning organization it serves and in this case it USA Swimming, USOC, and FINA. Just because we are part of the USAS aquatic family does not mean we get this service. So its the swimmers responsibility or the organization responsibility to report the times and records and that is what was done here as explained by Chris. This is a Recognized meet so the times automatically count. Cullen must have not wanted his times to count for USMS, for both Top Ten and USMS Records because otherwise you would see them there at least the Top Ten part because he is a current member and all current members were reported. If he wanted the times reported, then the National Records would follow. There were 23 USMS National Records that are pending right now and some have been accepted and some are still in the process of waiting. So this is an example of how a time was not submitted. The sprinters in the 25-29 age group do not have to deal with Cullen like the 18-24 and 30-34 swimmers do with Schneider and Brunelli. This is just one example of swimmers not getting into the Top Ten and so I believe that as many swimmers from Olympic Trials got in there are as many that did not. Here are reasons why. 1. A swimmer must be a 2012 USMS registered swimmer to even be considered for Top Ten and Records and it doesn't matter if they were a member in previous years. Janet Evans, Dara Torres and Edwin Moses come to mind but there are probably many others as well. 2. Top Ten times must be reported by someone and in this case it was the USMS National Office. In a meet this complex that makes sense and since we had our National Meet one day after the OT were over that makes even more sense. Pool measurement guidelines were mush easier because this was a fixed wall pool and measurements were taken in a reasonable time by both organizations of USA Swimming and USMS. 3. Swimmers have to be identified that are eligible USMS Members and they give their permission if they want there times to count and it does not matter if they went to other meets like Greensboro, they must consent. Because of the Olympics and other National Team meets, swimmers were given extra time to do this and its not just consent, if a record is set they have to get birth certificate and passport in during the required time period of 90 days after the season ends. This is known as the Sabir Muhammad rule. 4 USMS Record Applications have to be filed after steps 1 2, and 3 are accomplished. This was done by someone in USMS that got the Omega Timing system backup times along with the Meet Referee signatures. So this is the process as complex as it gets and might explain questions that people have about the process.