Ultra Short Training Rushall

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coachsci.sdsu.edu/.../ultra40b.pdf Has anyone of you tried this method out? Results? Thanks
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    What I'd like to see is a well thought out analysis of Sun's London 1500 swim and why he was able to swim so much faster over that distance than anyone has before. He does some things very unconventionally, like breathing into and out of the turns, but he's clearly doing lots of things right. What are these things? That's what interests me. Swim Smooth did a fun and relevant one. I'll try to find it. But Knelson, you asked a very good question. I'd like to complete my previous answer. Reason why my standard toward science is so high, is that there remain a lot of mysteries in swimming. Effectively applying weight shifts to the task, is only one example. These things are hidden. Extremely hard to quantify (therefore out of science's reach). Yet we often read that coaching should be evidence based. All right. I buy this. Coaching should be evidence based. But for that, we need evidence right? I wish science could really help unfolding as many of these mysteries as possible. But again, these are very hardcore topics for most of these mysteries, requiring very hot skills. If you can not identify that a swimmer is issuing 4 leg kick per arm cycle, when this is NO mystery at all. It's there, you see it, you just can not miss it. If you can't even see this, how on earth could you help coaches with more complex stuff? When they start talking in words I don't understand, about things that are new to me, I have to find a way to know if they're reliable or not. Well Rushall isn't. So whenever he talks stuff I don't understand, I can't believe him. Not if he overlooks things (which I do understand) that are extremely basic and simple, and irrefutable. "Some would rather be known, than be right" (A. Coggan). Here, 2 blog entries. Not a complete analysis though. Swim Smooth's main interest in regards to Sun was to analyze how much time is spent not applying propulsive forces. Swim Smooth did not comment on his leg kicking pattern, they really focused on the overgliding (or not) aspect. Swim Smooth position on leg kick is a pragmatic one. 2bk is great, but if you can not get it done perfectly, you're probably faster with a mild 6bk. Since they strongly insist on bilateral breathing, they can not recommend the 4bk, as this is more typical of unilateral breathers. www.feelforthewater.com/.../our-review-strokes-of-london-2012.html www.feelforthewater.com/.../our-stroke-analysis-two-best-1500m.html
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    What I'd like to see is a well thought out analysis of Sun's London 1500 swim and why he was able to swim so much faster over that distance than anyone has before. He does some things very unconventionally, like breathing into and out of the turns, but he's clearly doing lots of things right. What are these things? That's what interests me. Swim Smooth did a fun and relevant one. I'll try to find it. But Knelson, you asked a very good question. I'd like to complete my previous answer. Reason why my standard toward science is so high, is that there remain a lot of mysteries in swimming. Effectively applying weight shifts to the task, is only one example. These things are hidden. Extremely hard to quantify (therefore out of science's reach). Yet we often read that coaching should be evidence based. All right. I buy this. Coaching should be evidence based. But for that, we need evidence right? I wish science could really help unfolding as many of these mysteries as possible. But again, these are very hardcore topics for most of these mysteries, requiring very hot skills. If you can not identify that a swimmer is issuing 4 leg kick per arm cycle, when this is NO mystery at all. It's there, you see it, you just can not miss it. If you can't even see this, how on earth could you help coaches with more complex stuff? When they start talking in words I don't understand, about things that are new to me, I have to find a way to know if they're reliable or not. Well Rushall isn't. So whenever he talks stuff I don't understand, I can't believe him. Not if he overlooks things (which I do understand) that are extremely basic and simple, and irrefutable. "Some would rather be known, than be right" (A. Coggan). Here, 2 blog entries. Not a complete analysis though. Swim Smooth's main interest in regards to Sun was to analyze how much time is spent not applying propulsive forces. Swim Smooth did not comment on his leg kicking pattern, they really focused on the overgliding (or not) aspect. Swim Smooth position on leg kick is a pragmatic one. 2bk is great, but if you can not get it done perfectly, you're probably faster with a mild 6bk. Since they strongly insist on bilateral breathing, they can not recommend the 4bk, as this is more typical of unilateral breathers. www.feelforthewater.com/.../our-review-strokes-of-london-2012.html www.feelforthewater.com/.../our-stroke-analysis-two-best-1500m.html
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