Deep end flip turn vs shallow?

It seems you have answered them for yourself... ...a bit more timid coming into the wall How deep is your "shallow end"? Unless the pool you are in does not meet regulations, you should have ample room to execute your turn. Attack the turn the same way you do in the deep end. ...I hesitate more ...tuck my legs in more You say you "feel" more crowded. You need to prove to yourself there is room to turn. The only way to do it is execute the same turn without hesitation at both ends, until you understand that there is ample depth to do so.

What follows assumes a number of things (you weren't specific about your pool's geometry or your body position), but here's my take on it... If you use the T on the bottom of the pool as your cue to turn and you don't carry your head in a neutral position, you will get the visual cue to turn further from the wall in the deep end than in the shallow end. This difference will be more pronounced the higher you carry your head (the further ahead you tend to look) and the greater the difference is between the shallow and deep ends of the pool. If this is, indeed, the issue, you might find that by moving your head to a more neutral position more than just your shallow end flip turns improve. :D S

thanks for suggestions. :) Our pool is, as far as I know, a normal regulation 25 yd pool with (3.5' shallow end?). I suppose I did answer my own question. I'll just need to get over my phobia and as you said.. 'attack' the turn the same way, though head position may be a factor too.. I'll pay attention to these next time.:D I guess I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced this and what specifically they may have done to get past it. :)

I had the opposite problem to you - I used to practice in a pool with a shallow end of 3' and a "deep" end of 5' so was used to shallow turns. Then I would miss the turns in warm-up in competition because I tried to sight the turn off where the wall and pool-bottom met. This was particularly at tricky at the bulkhead!

Have toou ever hit the bottom? If no, then it's in your mind. Try just looking at the wall & forget about the bottom.

I had the opposite problem to you - I used to practice in a pool with a shallow end of 3' and a "deep" end of 5' so was used to shallow turns. Then I would miss the turns in warm-up in competition because I tried to sight the turn off where the wall and pool-bottom met. This was particularly at tricky at the bulkhead! Hmm, I'll be paying more attention to how I'm sighting the turn today, and where my head position is. Thanks for sharing! :)

I'm the opposite of you. During almost all of my career I practiced in a relatively uniform depth pool. 4-4.5ft at one end, 6 at the other. All of my meets had pools 4ft deep in the shallow, 13ft in the deep. It honestly would affect my turns because your prospective of the bottom is very different 10 feet higher off the bottom. There is a range of positions that seem acceptable, but it's not actually true. During my warmups I'd always try to focus on my turns to get used to all the different pools. I botched my first race at states junior year because the pool was a 50meter with 25yd lanes perpendicular. So basically the floor was sideways and getting deeper. It really screwed with me. The warmup lanes had a uniform bottom, naturally.