However, as a general rule, the regulations of the jurisdiction where the swim took place apply. The Canadian Nationals were a FINA meet held under the rules of the jurisdiction where the meet took place. The USMS rules could not apply. The meet was accredited and the swims were legal. I am sure the distance was correct.
Officially I have not heard anything, I think that if the swim was legal and the jurisdiction caccepts the swim thenUSMS should accept it. Unless there was some fraud or competitive advantage associated with the circumstances of the swim. If the pool was short of course the swim should not count, but no one is saying that. I do not blame the Canadians. I guess I will wait to hear the "official" version of the story. I will post whatever story they give me.
I don't know what you mean by "official version." The 2011 SCM lists are now the final, official version. The Records and Tabulation Committee considered whether to ask for a rules exception; the outcome is in the link to the minutes that Swimosaur posted.
The swims were legal for FINA purposes and accepted as such. They were not, however, performed in accordance to USMS rules and were not accepted by us. The situation is very similar to what would have happened if it had been a USA-S meet and had been run according to their measurement standards: both USA-S and Swim Canada have different measurement standards than USMS. For a swim in either meet to count for USMS purposes, the USMS measurement standards have to be met. In this case: the meet was held in a pool with a movable bulkhead, and bulkhead placement was not verified after each session of the meet, as per USMS rules.
I, too, don't "blame" Canada: they followed their own rules and FINA's. I don't expect them to be aware of and follow the rules of all the national governing bodies represented by the non-Canadian swimmers at the meet.
The R&T Committee happens to agree with you that swims that are acceptable to FINA should be acceptable to USMS and we will be proposing a Rule to reflect that. But we have to adhere to the rules as they exist at the time of the swim.
However, as a general rule, the regulations of the jurisdiction where the swim took place apply. The Canadian Nationals were a FINA meet held under the rules of the jurisdiction where the meet took place. The USMS rules could not apply. The meet was accredited and the swims were legal. I am sure the distance was correct.
Officially I have not heard anything, I think that if the swim was legal and the jurisdiction caccepts the swim thenUSMS should accept it. Unless there was some fraud or competitive advantage associated with the circumstances of the swim. If the pool was short of course the swim should not count, but no one is saying that. I do not blame the Canadians. I guess I will wait to hear the "official" version of the story. I will post whatever story they give me.
I don't know what you mean by "official version." The 2011 SCM lists are now the final, official version. The Records and Tabulation Committee considered whether to ask for a rules exception; the outcome is in the link to the minutes that Swimosaur posted.
The swims were legal for FINA purposes and accepted as such. They were not, however, performed in accordance to USMS rules and were not accepted by us. The situation is very similar to what would have happened if it had been a USA-S meet and had been run according to their measurement standards: both USA-S and Swim Canada have different measurement standards than USMS. For a swim in either meet to count for USMS purposes, the USMS measurement standards have to be met. In this case: the meet was held in a pool with a movable bulkhead, and bulkhead placement was not verified after each session of the meet, as per USMS rules.
I, too, don't "blame" Canada: they followed their own rules and FINA's. I don't expect them to be aware of and follow the rules of all the national governing bodies represented by the non-Canadian swimmers at the meet.
The R&T Committee happens to agree with you that swims that are acceptable to FINA should be acceptable to USMS and we will be proposing a Rule to reflect that. But we have to adhere to the rules as they exist at the time of the swim.
