In my most recent blog entry, "One Man's Garbage..." forums.usms.org/blog.php , I asked my fellow swimmers their respective opinions on the impact long, slow, continuous swimming has on meet performance.
The expression "garbage yards" (and the pejorative overtones such a phrase conjurs) has become so embedded in the forum lexicon that many, I suspect, now consider as indisputable truth swimming this way is a waste of time for anyone with competitive ambitions.
Such a view appears particularly well-entrenched among the many non-credentialed exercise physiology pontificators here on the forums who also have a fondness for sprinting and dry land exercise.
But is the concept of garbage yards truly valid--or a kind of urban legend made up largely by sprinters who would rather be doing something other than spending 90 minutes without stopping in the pool?
I don't mean only practicing this way. But if you are, like me, inclined to enjoy swimming, once or twice a week, long, slow, relatively relaxing, continuous yards, do you believe (and more importantly, perhaps, have any evidence to bolster said belief) that so-called "garbage yards" can have some value for actual racing?
Or do these only teach your body to swim slow?
I invite you to read my recent blog forums.usms.org/blog.php and post your thoughts advice there or here.
At the risk of provoking censure by the forum authorities, I furthermore ask you to leave all civility by the wayside.
Feel free to trash talk and smack upside the head of any and every one who disagrees with your personal bias here!
It's been way too long since these forums have had a good, old-fashioned range war of opinions run amuk and ad hominem attacks!
Go at each other tooth and claw. It will only stir the blood of us all, I say--something we garbage yard enthusiasts probably need a bit more of, I will admit.
A few notes on this fascinating thread:
1. Graham, your skill is incredible, my handwriting--normal size--doesn't look that good! What patience!
2. It really should be "Il garbagio" if we're going for an Italianate feel (just sayin'...)
3. I'm not sure if analogy can be called evidence in this case; but, if you are looking for physiological evidence I think the analogy with running is pretty good (sprinters don't do a lot of mileage... distance runners do a lot of mileage).
4. following on the last point: distance runners do a lot of LT work and some sprint work too, but the vast majority of their work is in the aerobic range. The faster distance runners have higher LT, but threshold training may only account for 20-30% of overall mileage. Would they call the 65-75% of their mileage at slower aerobic pace garbagio?
5. So following points 4-5, what for a distance runner is essential might be garbagio, indeed even detrimental, for a sprinter... I agree, then, that one person's garbagio is another's tesoro!
6. 200s are pretty close to the swimming equivalent of running's 800 (or vice versa)... 400 is a sprint, but 1500 is middle distance; the 800 is just a puke fest (I went all the way to HS state meet three times at that distance... probably one of the reasons I love/hate to do interval 200s in the pool now).
Thanks for the thread!
A few notes on this fascinating thread:
1. Graham, your skill is incredible, my handwriting--normal size--doesn't look that good! What patience!
2. It really should be "Il garbagio" if we're going for an Italianate feel (just sayin'...)
3. I'm not sure if analogy can be called evidence in this case; but, if you are looking for physiological evidence I think the analogy with running is pretty good (sprinters don't do a lot of mileage... distance runners do a lot of mileage).
4. following on the last point: distance runners do a lot of LT work and some sprint work too, but the vast majority of their work is in the aerobic range. The faster distance runners have higher LT, but threshold training may only account for 20-30% of overall mileage. Would they call the 65-75% of their mileage at slower aerobic pace garbagio?
5. So following points 4-5, what for a distance runner is essential might be garbagio, indeed even detrimental, for a sprinter... I agree, then, that one person's garbagio is another's tesoro!
6. 200s are pretty close to the swimming equivalent of running's 800 (or vice versa)... 400 is a sprint, but 1500 is middle distance; the 800 is just a puke fest (I went all the way to HS state meet three times at that distance... probably one of the reasons I love/hate to do interval 200s in the pool now).
Thanks for the thread!
