You can read about Kevin's times from the meet on his website here at www.kevindoak.com. I was at the meet and witnessed these performances and he is swimming as fast as he was in college 8 years ago.
One of the Records he broke was the almost 20 year National Record by Clay Britt in the 100 Yard Back. Ironically, Hugh Rodin was watching the race and remembered the 1992 Nationals in North Carolina where this swim was performed. He remembered well because it was the first time he won a National Championship in the 200 Back and his son Jeff, just a rookie, won 6 events in his first Nationals.
His 100 back is still a record for 30-34 (and his 50). I looked at the usms records and that wasn't as fast as the record for 40-44. But then the silly suit reality comes in and complicates matters even though the differences in many cases can be negligible.
Kevin's fast, he's in the Men's 30-34 age group, but there's been several elite swimmers in their 30's who were much faster but didn't USMS register or submit their times for consideration like Jason Lezak, Josh Davis, Gary Hall, Neil Walker or Anthony Ervin.
Jason went 19.31 when he was 30 & 42.46 when he was 32.
Neil Walker, when he was 31, went 22.02 in the 50 bk, 47.23 in the 100 fly, & 1:34.44 in the 200 free.
Josh C Davis, when he was 30, went 1:43.31 in the 200 scy bk & 1:48.38 in the 200 LCM free
Just sayin, Kevin's swims look awesome at a Masters meet & he's hidden in the heats at a USS meet like a Grand Prix, nationals or Trials.
USASwimming.org's INDIVIDUAL TIMES SEARCH INFORMATION
Event // Kevin went // USMS men's 30 - 34 record / Unsubmitted time by a 30 - 34 are:
50 Fr 20.61 / 19.85 / 19.31
100 Fr 45.29 / 44.53 / 42.46
50 Bk 22.64 / 22.64 / 22.02
100 Bk 48.93 / 48.93 /
100 FL 49.72 / 47.77 / 47.23
Nobody said he was the fastest on the planet. People are commenting because Kirk Nelson mentioned these swims on the broken records thread and that they break USMS Records. I think that we as USMS members should be proud when one of our members is achieving success. I really don't think we should be insulting our members because they are not swimming as fast as professional swimmers and olympians.
This is the second time this has happened on this forum and I don't appreciate this at all especially from you Ande, because you seem to really encourage masters swimmers to do there best and be happy with performances and goals that they achieve.
I don't think anyone on here is being overly boastful about this so I don't see any reason why there are insults.
Nobody said he was the fastest on the planet. People are commenting because Kirk Nelson mentioned these swims on the broken records thread and that they break USMS Records. I think that we as USMS members should be proud when one of our members is achieving success. I really don't think we should be insulting our members because they are not swimming as fast as professional swimmers and olympians.
This is the second time this has happened on this forum and I don't appreciate this at all especially from you Ande, because you seem to really encourage masters swimmers to do there best and be happy with performances and goals that they achieve.
I don't think anyone on here is being overly boastful about this so I don't see any reason why there are insults.
Ande, not to dog-pile or anything, but I completely agree with what Frank said in the post I quoted. To add to Frank's post, it's also irrelevant if they're faster and haven't registered for USMS or properly submitted their swims. Kevin is the fastest one who's played by all the rules and we should be praising his swims, not denigrating them.
Nobody said he was the fastest on the planet. People are commenting because Kirk Nelson mentioned these swims on the broken records thread and that they break USMS Records. I think that we as USMS members should be proud when one of our members is achieving success. I really don't think we should be insulting our members because they are not swimming as fast as professional swimmers and olympians. This is the second time this has happened on this forum and I don't appreciate this at all especially from you Ande, because you seem to really encourage masters swimmers to do there best and be happy with performances and goals that they achieve. I don't think anyone on here is being overly boastful about this so I don't see any reason why there are insults.
Frank,
I was just presenting information, wasn't trying to insult anyone. Kevin's a remarkable swimmer, it's great he's swimming in USMS meets & breaking records.
I deleted my post & now it only exists because you quoted it.
Should USMS and FINA recognize times done by swimmers of various ages as records even if they aren't usms members or submit the times to USMS or FINA?
By not filling out the paperwork?
I appreciate the gesture, but Nat should not be able to opt out of the record. Records have to be black and white for them to mean anything.
The paperwork is filled out by others, often the meet director. They may respect Coughlin's wishes of course, but maybe they would feel as lefty does and send it in anyway. (Personally, if I were that meet director and wanted Coughlin to attend future USMS meets, I would probably respect her wishes.)
However, proof of birth date (eg, birth certificate or passport) is also required. If that is not already on file with the Records Administrator, then Coughlin could simply refuse to send it in. There have been other records that have been lost due to a failure to send in this information.
