is this a performance enhancing drug?

At our SCM meet this past weekend we had an out-of-state visitor swimming. She was a very serious swimmer, arrived a week early to acclimate, came with a bit of an entourage, and did some pretty amazing times (45-49). We also saw her taking frequent hits from a very large inhaler always just before her races as she was warming up and behind the blocks. Any thoughts?.
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    Do you really stand by this statement, or did you perhaps exaggerate a little bit? "all studies" and "every respiratory specialist" you know?!? Really? So the news that there are people who claim that HFA inhalers suck must have come as a real surprise to you. Hmm, yet you were so ready to respond. Strange. The conspiracy isn't that a few people who stood to make Billions got CFC inhalers banned. It was that hundreds of thousands of patients got together and simultaneously claim that the new inhalers don't work as well. I admit that my "universal" statement was a bit exaggerated, but I've worked in 3 different retail pharmacies at the time of the switch and I can honestly say dozens upon dozens of patients complained that that drug was not effective as it previous was. I've heard many other pharmacists agree with this. I've had teachers at my school verify these statements as well. I am going to call up one of the most brilliant guys I know on the pharmaceutical world and see what his take is. He is literally one of the top pharmacists in the world and has done a lot to advance some aspects of drug delivery and IV protocol. He's been a clinical pharmacist at some of the top hospitals in the world and has lead many pharmaceutical organizations. I know he prefers the CFC to the HFA but I'll see what info I can get out of him. Aside from our main argument here, I do know, however, that there is a lot of information that suggests that HFA's are not as safe as CF'C's, having more adverse effects. There definitely is a financial incentive for the switch from CFC's to HFA's. The pharmaceutical industry is probably one of the most corrupt entities in history. If you work in pharmacy, follow drug prices, follow the products on the market, you can easily see corruption and drug companies taking advantage of patients. Almost all the top FDA executives have ties to drug companies. It's a really messed up world and its no wonder health care is becoming exponentially expensive. If the US made a law that drug companies could only sell drugs at the same price that they do in other countries, we would save billions. Drugs in America cost 2-10x as much as they do in other countries. Additionally, drug prices in America have doubled, tripled, and even quadrupled in the past 10 years. Drugs that have been around for years price's have skyrocketed. I had a pt that was in the donut hole and could not afford his $700/month Seroquel. We sent him to a Turkish pharmacy that used the exact same medicine and packaging and it cost him $350 for 2 months (175/month). It's incredible. Fluticisone (Flonaze) used to cost around $7-8, not it costs $20 in the door. The list is endless. Drug companies have a huge incentive to take one the top prescribed drugs, albuterol (probably within the top 20, maybe 30 drugs prescribed), delete the ~$5-$10 generic option, and replace it with a brand name inhaler like Ventolin or Proventil and charge $40-$60. It's not a conspiracy. It's how the drug company works. And what better time, at the height of environmentalism, to sound the alarm that people's inhalers are going to destroy the ozone layer. The whole ozone layer hype occurred literally 15 years ago. In reality, the fair option would have been would be to replace the HFA with the CFC's and incur no price change in the drug. After all, its just albuterol which has been around for ages. Why should a new propellent allow the insurance companies to escalate the price significantly?
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    Do you really stand by this statement, or did you perhaps exaggerate a little bit? "all studies" and "every respiratory specialist" you know?!? Really? So the news that there are people who claim that HFA inhalers suck must have come as a real surprise to you. Hmm, yet you were so ready to respond. Strange. The conspiracy isn't that a few people who stood to make Billions got CFC inhalers banned. It was that hundreds of thousands of patients got together and simultaneously claim that the new inhalers don't work as well. I admit that my "universal" statement was a bit exaggerated, but I've worked in 3 different retail pharmacies at the time of the switch and I can honestly say dozens upon dozens of patients complained that that drug was not effective as it previous was. I've heard many other pharmacists agree with this. I've had teachers at my school verify these statements as well. I am going to call up one of the most brilliant guys I know on the pharmaceutical world and see what his take is. He is literally one of the top pharmacists in the world and has done a lot to advance some aspects of drug delivery and IV protocol. He's been a clinical pharmacist at some of the top hospitals in the world and has lead many pharmaceutical organizations. I know he prefers the CFC to the HFA but I'll see what info I can get out of him. Aside from our main argument here, I do know, however, that there is a lot of information that suggests that HFA's are not as safe as CF'C's, having more adverse effects. There definitely is a financial incentive for the switch from CFC's to HFA's. The pharmaceutical industry is probably one of the most corrupt entities in history. If you work in pharmacy, follow drug prices, follow the products on the market, you can easily see corruption and drug companies taking advantage of patients. Almost all the top FDA executives have ties to drug companies. It's a really messed up world and its no wonder health care is becoming exponentially expensive. If the US made a law that drug companies could only sell drugs at the same price that they do in other countries, we would save billions. Drugs in America cost 2-10x as much as they do in other countries. Additionally, drug prices in America have doubled, tripled, and even quadrupled in the past 10 years. Drugs that have been around for years price's have skyrocketed. I had a pt that was in the donut hole and could not afford his $700/month Seroquel. We sent him to a Turkish pharmacy that used the exact same medicine and packaging and it cost him $350 for 2 months (175/month). It's incredible. Fluticisone (Flonaze) used to cost around $7-8, not it costs $20 in the door. The list is endless. Drug companies have a huge incentive to take one the top prescribed drugs, albuterol (probably within the top 20, maybe 30 drugs prescribed), delete the ~$5-$10 generic option, and replace it with a brand name inhaler like Ventolin or Proventil and charge $40-$60. It's not a conspiracy. It's how the drug company works. And what better time, at the height of environmentalism, to sound the alarm that people's inhalers are going to destroy the ozone layer. The whole ozone layer hype occurred literally 15 years ago. In reality, the fair option would have been would be to replace the HFA with the CFC's and incur no price change in the drug. After all, its just albuterol which has been around for ages. Why should a new propellent allow the insurance companies to escalate the price significantly?
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