USMS National Pool Championship Endurance Event Caps and Seeding - suggestions for improvement

The Summer Nationals meet is a wrap!  I competed and watched from start to finish, and thought it was very well run at a beautiful facility.  Appreciations as always to the dedicated people who sacrifice a lot of time before and during to make these events possible.  There was some controversy and frustration before the meet however, well documented on the 2026 Summer Nationals event cap thread.  After competing, watching and communicating I have some constructive recommendations for modifications for how 200 and over event caps (if needed) and a related issue, seeding, are handled.  I plan to post them on this thread and email them to the championship committee in the near future.  Before I do, however, I would like to learn what perspectives others might have and what if any changes the championship committee are considering.  There has been no new post since the meet.  Is event caps at Nationals no longer an issue?  Because of location it might it be Deja Vu all over again for Irvine next Spring.  Also, time is a bit of the essence as the USMS annual meeting is September 18 to 19.  I’ll hone my thoughts a little while longer while I wait to see if any other perspectives come in.  Here is my email if you want to contact me directly, rogershardy@gmail.com, but I think this is a great forum.  Finally, USMS has posted a meet survey at https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/97DXC85. I’ll take my survey after hearing from anyone who wishes to post on a USMS community thread or email me.

Parents
  • I SUGGEST USMS LEADERSHIP CONSIDER:

    1. Defending national champions and at least the top four seeds for each age group for ALL events be allowed access to national championships meets regardless of any event cap process.
    2. Defending national champions and at least the top four seeds for each age group for ALL events be seeded in adjacent lanes in the same heat. (If an individual has a seed time significantly faster than anyone else in their age group, they can have the option to be seeded in a heat with similar times.)

     RATIONALE AND MECHANICS

    • First, I wholly support
      • USMS vision of inclusion for all swimmers, new or champion, in all events and activities, including the national championships.
      • waving a certain number of events from the National Qualifying Times for new swimmers.
      • need for championship meet time-line rigor so a day ends at a civil hour.
      • The dedication and time commitment of the USMS volunteers, especially under tight deadlines associated with large meets.
    • The national championships are presently, however, in effect two meets being run concurrently: A national championship consisting of “sprint” 50 and 100 events each with a championship heat, and a “national swim festival” for “endurance” 200m and longer events consisting of time trials where top-seeded competitors with very close seed times are often split into different heats or across the pool, or recently, excluded from their core events entirely.
    • I am aware of the flurry of work at a large meet after ‘positive check-in’. I am confident, however, that there are USMS members with high cognitive coding skills who could effectively devise software that could quickly seed endurance events that are more inclusive and competitive while preserving time discipline.
    • When event caps are imposed, endurance swimmers might be locked out entirely while sprint swimmers have a chance to contend for a championship. As commented this is exclusionary to and discriminates against endurance swimmers.
    • I am confident the actual number of events that swimmers exempt from caps under this suggestion might enter would be small and would not adversely affect the timeline.
    • I realize this endurance seeding issue has come up in the past.  Because of more comprehensive coding capabilities, however, I am suggesting the issue be re-visited.
    • One reason swimmers new to competition come to nationals is to view and associate with world class competitors. My suggestions would provide a more balanced meet, with no contender excluded with endurance championship heats for beginning swimmers to watch, and more elite endurance swimmers at the meet to interact with.  I feel this would far outweigh any vibe of elitism in exempting a few top endurance contenders from caps.  New swimmers to nationals may the growth engine for USMS, but the core and lifeblood are the few national contenders who have competed for decades.
    • These modifications will make way for way more interesting endurance events, with the announcer able to narrate a championship heat for all events and all age groups. Nationals are long days.  Successful implementation of my suggestions will give the announcer more to talk about during endurance event championship heats, engaging spectators more fully and making for a more engaging day.
    • Finally, I am aware USMS leadership has major issues to deal with these days. Tweaking our great national championships to be more inclusive and acknowledge our endurance champion contenders, however, won’t take that much work and will make for better meets.

     PERSONAL STANDING

    • 45 year USMS member, occasional top ten postings.
    • High school and college national caliber programs in the 1960’s
    • Pay dues, workout and compete. Never volunteered in the USMS organization

     I look forward to discussions about these issues and my suggestions on this platform and in the upcoming meetings.

Reply
  • I SUGGEST USMS LEADERSHIP CONSIDER:

    1. Defending national champions and at least the top four seeds for each age group for ALL events be allowed access to national championships meets regardless of any event cap process.
    2. Defending national champions and at least the top four seeds for each age group for ALL events be seeded in adjacent lanes in the same heat. (If an individual has a seed time significantly faster than anyone else in their age group, they can have the option to be seeded in a heat with similar times.)

     RATIONALE AND MECHANICS

    • First, I wholly support
      • USMS vision of inclusion for all swimmers, new or champion, in all events and activities, including the national championships.
      • waving a certain number of events from the National Qualifying Times for new swimmers.
      • need for championship meet time-line rigor so a day ends at a civil hour.
      • The dedication and time commitment of the USMS volunteers, especially under tight deadlines associated with large meets.
    • The national championships are presently, however, in effect two meets being run concurrently: A national championship consisting of “sprint” 50 and 100 events each with a championship heat, and a “national swim festival” for “endurance” 200m and longer events consisting of time trials where top-seeded competitors with very close seed times are often split into different heats or across the pool, or recently, excluded from their core events entirely.
    • I am aware of the flurry of work at a large meet after ‘positive check-in’. I am confident, however, that there are USMS members with high cognitive coding skills who could effectively devise software that could quickly seed endurance events that are more inclusive and competitive while preserving time discipline.
    • When event caps are imposed, endurance swimmers might be locked out entirely while sprint swimmers have a chance to contend for a championship. As commented this is exclusionary to and discriminates against endurance swimmers.
    • I am confident the actual number of events that swimmers exempt from caps under this suggestion might enter would be small and would not adversely affect the timeline.
    • I realize this endurance seeding issue has come up in the past.  Because of more comprehensive coding capabilities, however, I am suggesting the issue be re-visited.
    • One reason swimmers new to competition come to nationals is to view and associate with world class competitors. My suggestions would provide a more balanced meet, with no contender excluded with endurance championship heats for beginning swimmers to watch, and more elite endurance swimmers at the meet to interact with.  I feel this would far outweigh any vibe of elitism in exempting a few top endurance contenders from caps.  New swimmers to nationals may the growth engine for USMS, but the core and lifeblood are the few national contenders who have competed for decades.
    • These modifications will make way for way more interesting endurance events, with the announcer able to narrate a championship heat for all events and all age groups. Nationals are long days.  Successful implementation of my suggestions will give the announcer more to talk about during endurance event championship heats, engaging spectators more fully and making for a more engaging day.
    • Finally, I am aware USMS leadership has major issues to deal with these days. Tweaking our great national championships to be more inclusive and acknowledge our endurance champion contenders, however, won’t take that much work and will make for better meets.

     PERSONAL STANDING

    • 45 year USMS member, occasional top ten postings.
    • High school and college national caliber programs in the 1960’s
    • Pay dues, workout and compete. Never volunteered in the USMS organization

     I look forward to discussions about these issues and my suggestions on this platform and in the upcoming meetings.

Children
  • Thank you for giving more thought to the Championship event caps/seeding. 

    1. Is there a reason why you chose four top seeds as opposed to a different number?

    2. For the top seeds in the event, should seed times be self-reported, or should they be checked with actual meet times? If the latter, what time should the system use? For example, LCM only for Summer Nationals?  SCY only for Spring Nationals? How far back should it consider times? 

    I'm curious whether you also re-did any heats from Nationals and whether you gave any time improvements back to the meet, since the most critical issue seems to be event caps instituted to ensure championship meets end at a specific time.

  • Hi, Jennifer, and thanks for the reply.  Comments:

    Why do i think four seeds should have the opportunity to swim together?  While the number is a bit arbitrary, it is the max number that could be combined with the four top seeds from another age group in the same heat for timeline considerations.  There would be actually two races for the championship going on at once, giving the announcer plenty to talk about. This would come into play more in the older, slower age groups with fewer entrants.  Notice that I said, as a qualifier as I hope this is a discussion starter, 'at least four'.  If there are more than four quality seeds capable of winning the age group, I think the coding should be set up to accommodate up to a full championship heat of eight, just like in the 'sprint' events.

    Should seed times be self-reported, or actual meet times?  I will leave this to discussion.  I think the majority of opinions over the years have supported actual times. SCY and LCM have conversions, and many commenters have pointed out the lack of meets in some regions.  How far back?  I dunno, two years?

    It would be fun to do forensics on the longer events at recent nationals to see if more relational software could shorten the total timeline..  Based on a glance at the mens 1500 at Sacramento, it looks like some time could be saved the way the swimmers got chopped up by starting by filling the fastest heat with eight and leaving the two slowest heats with three and seven swimmers.  But i haven't done anything analytical yet. Of course in that event there were swimmers who whished to swim who were excluded altogether.  I appreciate seeding is a tough call that has been mooted for decades.

    My basic purpose is to re-instill a sense of racing to the longer events while preserving the timeline. Thanks again.