team scoring

Chris, Thanks for your comments. I understand people's reactions, and have tried on this forum discussion to acknowledge that any proposed rule change needs broad support and also needs to address the already existing forms of club structures, as they are implemented all across the country, and in all the LMSCs. As I have previously stated on this forum, there are legitimate reasons for the ways that the club structures have developed in each of the LMSCs -- and none of them are wrong for those environments. Here is the excerpt from last year's Convention minutes of the Legislation Committee. (web post on USMS site is www.usms.org/.../leg-2007-9-28-4.pdf) The proposal submitted last year by Pacific was slightly different than what will be submitted this year (the 2007 proposal is pasted in below). The 2007 proposal was not favorably recommended by that Committee, and so required a 2/3 vote. It failed by 4 votes after several rounds of amendments form the floor of the HOD. This year is a "Rules" year, and I believe that a simple majority is required (but am not sure on this). I think the 2007 version is a little garbled (as a result of succeeding amendments from the floor it was probably hard to track) and the one posted earlier in this forum thread is a better proposal. Leianne ^^^^ Excerpt from 2007 Convention records: III. The following proposals were NOT reported out favorably by the Legislation Committee. They require a 2/3 majority of the HOD to pass. L02 Article 201.2. MEMBERSHIP OF CLUBS Approve Approve as Amended Fail Withdrawn Article 201.2. MEMBERSHIP OF CLUBS Member clubs are organizations or groups of permanent character currently registered with USMS through its LMSCs and that actively promote and participate in Masters swimming. For competition at National Championship Meets, a regional club shall consist of those meet entrants who are registered with a USMS club that includes separate entities that compete within its own LMSC. The Zone Championship Committee is responsible for publishing shall publish the list of regional clubs on the USMS National Championship Meet Information webpage no later than February 15 of each year. A USMS club choosing to challenge its designation must file an appeal with the Chair of the Championship Committee at least 60 days prior to the first day of competition at the National Championship Meet. Article 104: NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP MEETS Article 104.5.7—Awards C Team awards—The organization conducting the national championship meet shall provide awards. Based on meet entries, the Championship Committee may provide awards in up to five places in each of the following men’s, women’s and combined categories for both Regional Team and Club Team Divisions: Large, medium and small, with a team’s placement in one of these categories determined by the number of swimmers that are entered in the meet. The number of entrants for a large, medium and small team will be determined by the Championship Committee after the close of entries.

Chris, Thanks for your comments. I understand people's reactions, and have tried on this forum discussion to acknowledge that any proposed rule change needs broad support and also needs to address the already existing forms of club structures, as they are implemented all across the country, and in all the LMSCs. As I have previously stated on this forum, there are legitimate reasons for the ways that the club structures have developed in each of the LMSCs -- and none of them are wrong for those environments. Here is the excerpt from last year's Convention minutes of the Legislation Committee. (web post on USMS site is www.usms.org/.../leg-2007-9-28-4.pdf) The proposal submitted last year by Pacific was slightly different than what will be submitted this year (the 2007 proposal is pasted in below). The 2007 proposal was not favorably recommended by that Committee, and so required a 2/3 vote. It failed by 4 votes after several rounds of amendments form the floor of the HOD. This year is a "Rules" year, and I believe that a simple majority is required (but am not sure on this). I think the 2007 version is a little garbled (as a result of succeeding amendments from the floor it was probably hard to track) and the one posted earlier in this forum thread is a better proposal. Leianne ^^^^ Excerpt from 2007 Convention records: III. The following proposals were NOT reported out favorably by the Legislation Committee. They require a 2/3 majority of the HOD to pass. L02 Article 201.2. MEMBERSHIP OF CLUBS Approve Approve as Amended Fail Withdrawn Article 201.2. MEMBERSHIP OF CLUBS Member clubs are organizations or groups of permanent character currently registered with USMS through its LMSCs and that actively promote and participate in Masters swimming. For competition at National Championship Meets, a regional club shall consist of those meet entrants who are registered with a USMS club that includes separate entities that compete within its own LMSC. The Zone Championship Committee is responsible for publishing shall publish the list of regional clubs on the USMS National Championship Meet Information webpage no later than February 15 of each year. A USMS club choosing to challenge its designation must file an appeal with the Chair of the Championship Committee at least 60 days prior to the first day of competition at the National Championship Meet. Article 104: NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP MEETS Article 104.5.7—Awards C Team awards—The organization conducting the national championship meet shall provide awards. Based on meet entries, the Championship Committee may provide awards in up to five places in each of the following men’s, women’s and combined categories for both Regional Team and Club Team Divisions: Large, medium and small, with a team’s placement in one of these categories determined by the number of swimmers that are entered in the meet. The number of entrants for a large, medium and small team will be determined by the Championship Committee after the close of entries.