team scoring

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Former Member
first of all, congrats to the meet directors and all the volunteers on a job well done. so organized and efficient!! very impressive. the only thing i wish someone could explain to me is why the usms champ. committee changed the team scoring from large, medium and small team to clumping everyone in the same category. seems extremely unfair to have what i call "real teams" competing against state mega teams. there is no possibility for "real teams" to ever come close to competing against them. if you are going to give team awards at the end of the meet, is there any way you can do it fairly? our team is extremely proud to have gotten as many team members as we did to go to natls. (most of them for the first time), but unfortunately they were very disillusioned (as was i) with the idea that we would be competing against state teams. as one of the coaches i didn't have an explanation. even though we were very proud of our 7th place finish in men's division, and our 12th place in combined, we were only one of a few "real teams" in the top ten. would appreciate responses. maybe even someone from the champ.committee could explain how they felt this scoring system would be more fair to the majority of swimmers. then i can pass it along to my teammates.. i don't want them to be so disillusioned that they lose interest in attending any future natls. thanks
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  • Hello, I also wanted to clarify that there was no intention in the L2 legislation to be critical of the way any club is structured --it is what it is. No worries, Leianne. I did not get any negative vibes from you at all! I think you went out of your way to be fair and nonjudgmental. In Carolyn's proposal, the Zone Reps (gulp, that's me for Oceana!) would determine this--I still think that will be hard to administer, but if everyone buys off on that, that is another way to determine the divisions, and may address the concerns expressed earlier about a club recruiting from all across the country. I agree that the geographic radius would be hard to administer. In less densely populated areas, you might have to go far outside 50 miles to even find a pool to swim in. Conversely, in densely populated areas, you could probably find several pools within a 50 mile radius. I like best the idea of whether you always swim for the same team or not (regional club/local workout group). I concede, though, that that would not cover regional clubs that do not split up into workout groups in competitions in their own LMSC. At one time GOLD was the only club in the Florida Gold Coast, and they always competed as GOLD. But they drew members from across the LMSC. I guess the definition for a regional club is sort of like the definition for pornography: we know it when we see it! Meg-- you are on as a participant in this process! I figured if I was going to complain about the language, then I ought to offer what I thought was a better alternative! Meg
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  • Hello, I also wanted to clarify that there was no intention in the L2 legislation to be critical of the way any club is structured --it is what it is. No worries, Leianne. I did not get any negative vibes from you at all! I think you went out of your way to be fair and nonjudgmental. In Carolyn's proposal, the Zone Reps (gulp, that's me for Oceana!) would determine this--I still think that will be hard to administer, but if everyone buys off on that, that is another way to determine the divisions, and may address the concerns expressed earlier about a club recruiting from all across the country. I agree that the geographic radius would be hard to administer. In less densely populated areas, you might have to go far outside 50 miles to even find a pool to swim in. Conversely, in densely populated areas, you could probably find several pools within a 50 mile radius. I like best the idea of whether you always swim for the same team or not (regional club/local workout group). I concede, though, that that would not cover regional clubs that do not split up into workout groups in competitions in their own LMSC. At one time GOLD was the only club in the Florida Gold Coast, and they always competed as GOLD. But they drew members from across the LMSC. I guess the definition for a regional club is sort of like the definition for pornography: we know it when we see it! Meg-- you are on as a participant in this process! I figured if I was going to complain about the language, then I ought to offer what I thought was a better alternative! Meg
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