first of all, congrats to the meet directors and all the volunteers on a job well done. so organized and efficient!! very impressive. the only thing i wish someone could explain to me is why the usms champ. committee changed the team scoring from large, medium and small team to clumping everyone in the same category. seems extremely unfair to have what i call "real teams" competing against state mega teams. there is no possibility for "real teams" to ever come close to competing against them. if you are going to give team awards at the end of the meet, is there any way you can do it fairly? our team is extremely proud to have gotten as many team members as we did to go to natls. (most of them for the first time), but unfortunately they were very disillusioned (as was i) with the idea that we would be competing against state teams. as one of the coaches i didn't have an explanation. even though we were very proud of our 7th place finish in men's division, and our 12th place in combined, we were only one of a few "real teams" in the top ten. would appreciate responses. maybe even someone from the champ.committee could explain how they felt this scoring system would be more fair to the majority of swimmers. then i can pass it along to my teammates.. i don't want them to be so disillusioned that they lose interest in attending any future natls. thanks
Hey Michael,
Thank you for posting those team results for the last 5 years. It's quite telling. And yes, congrats to Walnut Creek and The Olympic Club for doing so well! Teams like this DESERVE RECOGNITION and under the current scoring system, it takes looking at a list like this to see how well they've actually done since neither of them have ever won Nationals.
Michael, you said you voted to change the old scoring system, so I assume you hold a position that may give you additional insight to this issue. I'm confused from your post as to whether you want to go back to SML scoring, or Mega Team/Club Team scoring. (Also, I'm unclear as to what you meant with the 40% idea. ??) I still think the SML scoring system requires an arbitrary division that would GREATLY hinder some teams while GREATLY helping others, who happen to be on the fortunate side of the line.
I don't think that dividing Mega Teams and Club Teams would be arbitrary at all. We can tell by simply looking at the name of the team, i.e., Oregon Masters & Colorado Masters vs. Walnut Creek & The Olympic Club. There is no need to look at number of bank accounts or anything so detailed, but if pressed, I think a Club Team would have one board (and a training schedule, to be found on the club's website, should they have one).
In the 3 links provided above (a few posts up) there was discussion of how Club Teams in Ohio (or Illinois?) compete as themselves within their LMSC, and they compete together when outside their LMSC. It seems that everyone is aware of what their real Club Team is.
I'm still looking for an argument against dividing Mega Teams and Club Teams.
Thanks!
Brian
Hey Michael,
Thank you for posting those team results for the last 5 years. It's quite telling. And yes, congrats to Walnut Creek and The Olympic Club for doing so well! Teams like this DESERVE RECOGNITION and under the current scoring system, it takes looking at a list like this to see how well they've actually done since neither of them have ever won Nationals.
Michael, you said you voted to change the old scoring system, so I assume you hold a position that may give you additional insight to this issue. I'm confused from your post as to whether you want to go back to SML scoring, or Mega Team/Club Team scoring. (Also, I'm unclear as to what you meant with the 40% idea. ??) I still think the SML scoring system requires an arbitrary division that would GREATLY hinder some teams while GREATLY helping others, who happen to be on the fortunate side of the line.
I don't think that dividing Mega Teams and Club Teams would be arbitrary at all. We can tell by simply looking at the name of the team, i.e., Oregon Masters & Colorado Masters vs. Walnut Creek & The Olympic Club. There is no need to look at number of bank accounts or anything so detailed, but if pressed, I think a Club Team would have one board (and a training schedule, to be found on the club's website, should they have one).
In the 3 links provided above (a few posts up) there was discussion of how Club Teams in Ohio (or Illinois?) compete as themselves within their LMSC, and they compete together when outside their LMSC. It seems that everyone is aware of what their real Club Team is.
I'm still looking for an argument against dividing Mega Teams and Club Teams.
Thanks!
Brian
