Last November I wrote a short editorial about my feelings toward the seeding rules for masters nationals. Between now and then I have been trying to get the editorial published in one of our two swimming publications, but to no avail.
So I am "publishing" it here, for all masters swimmers to read as we approach the spring nationals in Fort Lauderdale.
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Please excuse all the question marks in this column, but I have a lot to ask.
Why are the 400 IM and distance freestyle events seeded by time at nationals, while the other events are seeded by age first, then time?
Here’s the rule, from the United States Masters Swimming Rule Book, about seeding events at nationals: “Pre-seeded events shall be seeded, with oldest age groups first, slowest heats swum first in each age group.” Not “... may be seeded...” No room for leeway there.
Why is this a steadfast rule that applies to every national championship, but only an optional policy for regional, state and local meets? An option that, I might add, is never used.
How much longer can we stand to watch another man or woman win a race by three body lengths, then watch another man or woman win a race by the same amount three heats later? To make matters worse, we don’t notice -- or don’t care -- that often the swimmers (in different age groups, obviously) finish the race with times less than a second apart?
Case in point: At the 2004 masters long course nationals in Georgia, Razvan Petcu and Michael Ross set world records in the 100 fly in the 30-34 and 35-39 age groups, respectively. Ross was faster than Petcu by less than two tenths. Imagine the sub-56 second times both would have posted if they had raced in the same heat -- the fastest heat consisting of the top eight 100 flyers at the meet. Imagine the crowd’s enthusiasm at witnessing a great race between two extraordinary swimmers -- and the other six who would have definitely fed off their energy.
I’ll give you another example. I was one of hundreds to watch in amazement as the 25-29 100 yard freestyle at last year’s short course nationals featured a race that had three swimmers break 45 seconds. And yet, by that time, many had forgotten that two swimmers in the 40-44 age group, John Smith and Paul Smith, weren't too far off the pace, swimmig under 47 seconds.
How great it would have been to have the Smiths swim in the same heat as Sabir Muhammed and Gary Hall Jr. Would the Smiths have moaned about swimming against people 15 years younger? Doubtful. Would the younger swimmers have laughed at two men in their 40s racing them? Highly unlikely.
Unfortunately, that is a race we will most likely never see. And if the rule makers at FINA and USMS can’t see the inherent advantages of erasing this current rule, then we’ll never see races of that caliber.
We’ll continue to see Bobby Patten race all alone in the 200 fly, instead of getting pure competition from swimmers in other age groups who would jump at the chance to race one of master swimming’s best.
I’ve only been a part of masters swimming for five years, so I wasn’t around when this rule was passed. So can someone please tell me the logic behind it?
Are the older swimmers scared of getting their butts whipped by a 28-year-old? Did someone complain that they miss the days of age group swimming and wanted to return to that?
Please tell me the logic behind that rule -- if there is any logic.
And while you’re thinking of an explanation, think about what would happen if this rule were in effect in USA Swimming and Olympic/World Championship meets. It would mean that Michael Phelps and Ian Thorpe would never get to race because Phelps belonged in the 19-24 age group. Would Katie Hoff be relegated to the 15-18 age group, while Amanda Beard swims all alone in the 19-24 bracket?
Yep, that’s a bunch of baloney, but that what I’m seeing in masters swimming. And as some of us begin to map out our training and competition plans leading up to next year’s master’s world championships, I fear we’ll never get the kind of exciting matchups we take for granted in the Olympics.
Wouldn’t you rather see four swimmers duke it out for the overall title in the 200 free at nationals than to watch them one by one in their respective age groups? (Don’t worry. They’d still get their first place medals for winning their age groups.) And wouldn’t it be better for all swimmers to race people of their own ability?
What would it take to make this policy change? Would it just take one person to finally vocalize what so many have whispered about on decks around the world? OK, I’ve done that. What’s next?
I’ve asked a lot of questions here, and the answers (read: the future of US Masters Swimming) lie within you.
you ain't foolin' no one......
Once a rabbitt always a rabbitt
Once an Evil Smith always and Evil Smith
You can try as you might oh one of great distance training this year, but those in the know aren't fooled by your "handle" and trying to "spin" off your Evil moniker to me!
Perhaps Jeff can comment on whether he would be willing to forgo winning his age group in order to compete with the fastest swimmers in his events?
Absolutely.
Originally posted by Bobber
What about those who want to swim against others in their age-group including the best in the AG, but some of the best in the AG select the open seeded heats?
I thought I covered this, the idea being that when two groups are in conflict with group A wanting to swim their own prefered way and group B wanting group A to swim according to group B's preferences there is a stronger case to let group A control group A then to let group B control group A.
These AG-heat swimmers will know what the time-seeded heats swam (assuming they went first) but may not be swimming head-to-head with the other top swimmers in the AG.
If they want to swim head to head they do have the option of swimming in the open heats.
This kind of thing happens all the time in triathlons that offer an elite wave. Many triathlons exclude the elite wave competitors from AG awards because of this. In triathlon national championship races, there are no elite waves.
I'm not sure triathlon is a good analogy due to the ability to draft. I also assume that the national championships are not seeded into "waves" of eight athletes?
There is the option to exclude the open seeded swimmers from age group placings and possibly to add placings within the open seeded swimmers. If more awards are a good thing the latter should appeal. It would make for interesting choices, are you willing to give up a good placing in your age group to try for a good placing in the open catagory? Perhaps Jeff can comment on whether he would be willing to forgo winning his age group in order to compete with the fastest swimmers in his events?
Originally posted by LindsayNB
If they want to swim head to head they do have the option of swimming in the open heats.
But they still may not get into the same heat with their AG competition.
I'm not sure triathlon is a good analogy due to the ability to draft. I also assume that the national championships are not seeded into "waves" of eight athletes?
True, triathlon has many differences. I was just trying to point out that for triathlon nationals, the focus is AG competition, so the waves are organized by AG to give everybody in the same AG the same racing conditions.
Originally posted by Paul Smith
you ain't foolin' no one......
Once a rabbitt always a rabbitt
Are you saying "The Good Smith" is actually Eddie Rabbitt? :D
I hear he loves a rainy night.
