For example, despite the massive knowledge accrued over the past 100 years regarding OW swims in the English Channel where safety plans and implementations are second-to-none, sometimes it just happens.
www.dover.uk.com/channelswimming
since inception, the risk for soloists seems to be about 1 in 300 crossings (6 per 1700)
in 'modern times', the risk seems to be about the same, 1 in 290 crossings (4 per 1160)
one could argue that the risk is about half of that, or 1 in 600 attempts, because the success rate ballparks somewhere around 50%. a better stat might be risk per "hour in the channel", or risk according to "hour into the swim".
number of crossings:
since 1985: 1160 = 171 + 592 + 255 + 142
2010's: 171 = 77 + 94
2000's: 592 = 92 + 87 + 83 + 64 + 75 + 44 + 52 + 42 + 28 + 25
1990's: 255 = 25 + 23 + 32 + 25 + 27 + 39 + 22 + 28 + 13 + 21
1980's: 241 = 28 + 38 + 36 + 21 + 19 + 18 + 25 + 22 + 19 + 15
Like any extreme sport, Channel swimming has risks attached to it, and over the years seven swimmers have died while attempting the swim.
1926 Rodriguez de Lara
Rodriguez de Lara, from Spain, was believed to have become the first person to drown while making a Channel swim attempt.
1954 Edward J May
On 8 September 1954, lone Englishman Edward J May is reported to have set off from Cap Gris Nez to swim to England, but without a pilot boat and against official advice. His body was found weeks later washed up in Holland.
1984 Kumar Anandan
Sri Lankan swimmer Kumar Anandan, 36, died while making his attempt. At the subsequent inquest, Coroner Richard Sturt recommended that anyone making an attempt to swim the Channel should produce a fitness certificate. Since then all swimmers have been told they must produce a medical certificate.
1988 Renata Agondi
Brazilian swimmer Renata Agondi, 25, from San Paulo, died on 23 August 1988 about eight miles off the French coast while swimming from Dover. There had been a dispute on board the escort ship about who had the final responsibility for ending a swim. As a result, guidelines were drawn up setting down a chain of command, ensuring that the pilot was the person who made the final decision about whether a swimmer should remain in the water.
1999 Fausta Marin Moreno
Mexican swimmer Fausta Marin Moreno drowned during a swim from England to France on 20 August 1999.
2001 Ueli Staub
On 11 August 2001, Swiss swimmer Ueli Staub, 37, disappeared from view when he was about a mile off the French coast having swum for 16 hours from Dover. His body was found six days later, in the sea near Ostende.
2012 Páraic Casey
Páraic Casey, a member of the Sandycove Swimming Club in Cork, Ireland began his swim at 9.13am on Saturday 21 July 2012 and became ill at around 1:30 in the morning of 22 July 2012, just 1km from the coast of France. Attempts to resuscitate him by crew on the boat and medics flown in by a French rescue helicopter were unsuccessful.
>In Paraic's case it isn't clear that either the crew or the pilot did something wrong, or that they didn't do everything they should have.
The thread was a discussion of risk, and how do you make a fair assessment of the risks involved in marathon swimming. If you are going to assess risk based on the outcome of prior events, you have to make sure you have enough information to make it a meaningful assessment.
I made that statement because I didn't (and still don't) have the information necessary to draw any conclusion on what happened - and have not ventured to do so. I think people often come to conclusions without sufficient information, and the truth would be better served if more questions were asked and answered before any conclusions are reached. I do think it would be helpful if marathon swimming community had access to better information, that way it could better assess the risks in the sport and how we might learn from prior swims.
I often compare marathon swimming with mountaineering because they share a number of similarities. After a climber dies many questions can arise in the climbing community. Sometimes upon later reflection the death could have been avoided and sometimes it could not. Sometimes the examination of the climbing accident yields information that future climbers can use to minimize future risks on the climbs, sometimes it does not.
Often an investigation (when one is held) can be emotionally difficult for team members and their family for many different reasons. But surely if the outcome of the inquiry helps to prevent future deaths it is worth it. However, this is not to suggest that all people on a climb want the story of a lethal accident to be told - and for many reasons. Sometimes it's just because they believe nothing good can become of it; and sometimes the're right.
>In Paraic's case it isn't clear that either the crew or the pilot did something wrong, or that they didn't do everything they should have.
The thread was a discussion of risk, and how do you make a fair assessment of the risks involved in marathon swimming. If you are going to assess risk based on the outcome of prior events, you have to make sure you have enough information to make it a meaningful assessment.
I made that statement because I didn't (and still don't) have the information necessary to draw any conclusion on what happened - and have not ventured to do so. I think people often come to conclusions without sufficient information, and the truth would be better served if more questions were asked and answered before any conclusions are reached. I do think it would be helpful if marathon swimming community had access to better information, that way it could better assess the risks in the sport and how we might learn from prior swims.
I often compare marathon swimming with mountaineering because they share a number of similarities. After a climber dies many questions can arise in the climbing community. Sometimes upon later reflection the death could have been avoided and sometimes it could not. Sometimes the examination of the climbing accident yields information that future climbers can use to minimize future risks on the climbs, sometimes it does not.
Often an investigation (when one is held) can be emotionally difficult for team members and their family for many different reasons. But surely if the outcome of the inquiry helps to prevent future deaths it is worth it. However, this is not to suggest that all people on a climb want the story of a lethal accident to be told - and for many reasons. Sometimes it's just because they believe nothing good can become of it; and sometimes the're right.
