This thread is an expansion of Ande's Swimming Faster Faster Tip 31: Get Strong. This is where I give advice on how to get stronger for the purpose of swimming faster.
I'm an authority on this subject only in a limited sense. I'm not a swim coach or a strength coach. I made a lot of improvement in my swimming when I started lifting weights, and I've given advice to a few other people (swimmers and non-swimmers) on how to get started on strength training. I draw a lot on conventional strength training wisdom. That's general strength training, not strength training for swimming.
In my opinion, and this is probably the most radical theme I'm going to stick with here, strength training advice for swimmers has always sucked. It is most often some kind of perverted and watered down version of the strength training that actual strong people do. A lot of buzzwords get added (e.g., "functional") and actual weight (i.e., iron) gets subtracted. My number one principle for strength training is this: it's not swimming! Don't mimic strokes, don't worry about skills. Just get stronger. The strength will transfer.
Safety
I'm starting with this at Jim Thornton's suggestion. Your first priority in the weight room is to avoid getting hurt.
Joint pain
This is just like swimming. The rule is: if it hurts, don't do it. Tendonitis comes on slowly, and when you feel it, you should stop doing whatever exercise causes it. There are also rehab/prehab exercises for strength and flexibility targeting any joint you can think of.
Lower back
Some lifts, particularly squats and deadlifts, require you to bend over at the waist. Do these in a mirror where you can see your side profile whenever possible, or have somebody watch your form. You need to keep your lower back slightly arched at all times, never flexed while supporting a significant weight. Some techniques to promote good form are: looking up, trying to point your chest to the ceiling, and trying to push your butt backward. Use whatever combination of these cues work for you, and check your form visually.
Dropping weight
Common sense. Overhead weights are dangerous. Don't drop heavy stuff on your head. When doing any exercise, ask yourself what would happen if you suddenly passed out and collapsed. Would the weight hit you? Would it choke you? I'm not saying to avoid exercises like that, but be careful. End your sets before you start feeling shaky. Use stops on a power rack. Ask somebody to spot you (unless you are doing squats and you aren't good friends already). Again, this should really be common sense.
Muscle soreness
Sorry, this is not an injury. I just put it here to make sure nobody mistakes it for one :) It's going to happen, and it's probably going to be far more intense than what you get from swimming.
Exercise selection
Exercise selection is all about variety. It's important to strengthen all of the muscles on the body, and you can do that by focusing on three basic movements: push, pull, and squat. Do these basic movements at different angles and positions to strengthen the entire body. Choosing different grips and equipment can also keep you from getting bored with weight training, and it can prevent joint injuries.
Push
In pushing, the elbows straighten and move away from the body. The two basic angles for pushing are forward and upward. Here's the barbell bench press, a forward pushing movement:
YouTube - Instructional Fitness - Bench Press
And here's the standing barbell shoulder press, an upward pushing movement:
YouTube - Build Muscle: Barbell Shoulder Press
And of course there are different angles and hybrids. For example, incline bench press is in between shoulder press and bench press. Also, any of these things can be done with dumbbells or other equipment.
Pull
Pulling means elbows bend and come toward the body. The two basic angles for pulling are downward and backward. Here's the dumbbell row, a backward pulling movement:
YouTube - Instructional Fitness - One-arm Dumbbell Rows
And here's a pull-up, which is not just a downward pulling movement, but the downward pulling movement that all beginning lifters must do, because of all of the different muscles it stresses:
YouTube - dead-hang pull ups with 70lb kettlebell.AVI
Squat
The squatting movement is the basis for all lower body development. My favorite squatting movement is the barbell lunge, which puts less relative stress on the lower back by working one leg at a time:
YouTube - Lunges 225 X 7
If you bend over without bending much at the knees, squatting turns into a deadlift variation. Here's the sumo deadlift:
YouTube - How to Sumo Deadlift
Load, volume, and frequency
These are parameters you need to balance. Load means: how heavy is the weight? Or, more specifically: how much force are your muscles required to produce to move it? Volume means: how many repetitions do you do? How much total work are the muscles doing? Frequency means: how often does a particular muscle get worked? You can do a full-body workout three days a week, or maybe upper body two days a week and lower body one day. Or you can get even more specific. Bodybuilders like to have days like "chest", "arms", and "shoulders" over the course of a week.
I know this sounds arbitrary, but we have to start somewhere. Here are my can't-fail load and volume parameters for newbies:
1. Do a full body workout two or three days a week, involving one push, one pull, and one squat.
2. Do between 2 and 6 sets per exercise, excluding easy/warm-up sets.
3. Do between 5 and 15 reps per set.
4. Don't take less than a full minute of rest between sets.
Within that, knock yourself out. You'll eventually come to some kind of understanding of how you respond to different amounts of volume and load, and how much variety you want. In a bit I'll give you a specific program to start with, if that's too much choice for you.
Failure and fatigue
Fatigue means you start to shake or slow down. Failure means you are no longer able to lift the weight. In my opinion, these things are way overrated. It's fun to challenge yourself and see exactly how many reps you can do to failure, but if you are doing 30 reps of 135 pounds on some exercise, 3 sets of 10 is pretty much the same as 6 sets of 5. I often prefer to do the latter, although it might take slightly longer. It all depends on how much pain you want to be in. There are some minor strength benefits to failure in strength training, but it definitely doesn't have to happen on every set, or even in every workout. It's just another parameter that you can change depending on how you like it.
Introduction plan
This is a plan that follows my guidelines. It's very similar to what I did when I started lifting. The exercises in it are the ones I showed videos of above. If you have more questions about how to do them or set up for them, please ask.
This workout is built on sets of 10 reps. Choose a very light weight to start, and slowly add weight, never more than 20 pounds at a time (or 10 pounds per dumbbell) until you can't complete 10 reps on your last set. Once you learn roughly how much weight you can do on a particular exercise, you can choose a good point to start ramping up from without wasting time.
Workout A
Assisted pull-up machine (Remember, more weight is easier on this.)
Standing barbell shoulder press (Stop any set if you start to feel shaky. Don't go to failure on these!)
Barbell alternating lunge (You can also do this holding dumbbells at your side. Pretty much the same.)
Workout B
One-arm dumbbell row (Switch arms between sets, and stop when either arm fails to get 10 reps.)
Barbell bench press (Stop a bit short of failure, or get a spotter.)
Sumo deadlift (Check your lower back form! The set is over when you lose perfect form.)
Do Workout A, rest a few days, then do Workout B. Repeat. Take extra rest days if you feel like it. Feel free to substitute similar movements if you get bored or don't like the ones I prescribe.
Questions?
Ask me!
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A longtime fitness professional (certified and practicing since 1988), I disagree with this statement. I actually think this is what you meant, but what is actually safest is to keep a neutral spine, keeping the abdominal and pelvic girdles engaged so that there is no strain on the back. Arching the back (hyperextension) compresses the vertebrae and may cause injury.
When people come to me wanting to know what exercises they should do, the following are some things I consider:
1) objectives - in the case of most of you, you want to improve swimming performance. So choose exercises that will improve the strength, stability, range-of-motion and function of major muscle groups and joints of importance.
2) injury prevention exercises aimed toward preferred activity(ies) As a swimmer, I spend lots of time stabilizing my shoulder girdle with rotator cuff work (mostly with resistance bands), deltoid work and pectoral stretches. I also emphasize muscle balance (for example chest and back/ internal/external rotators) - if you have poor posture, you will be predisposed to shoulder injuries because the slump will create a space problem in the shoulder girdle. If you sit in front of a computer for a long time, stretch the pectorals before you swim as to maximize space for shoulder movement.
2) limitations and prior injuries. If you have certain issues, you will be best off if you avoid exercise that may exacerbate your problems. Dead lifts (low back), overhead presses (shoulder) and bench press (nternal rotators) are exercises that often cause injury of the area I have in parentheses (in the case of the bench press, it is usually injurious because it is done incorrectly; people tend to lower elbows too much, tearing internal rotators).
I personally do none of the above exercises. My strength training program consists of squats, lunges, pushups, skull crushers, band rotator cuff activities, low and high rows, posterior deltoid raise, planks and bicycles. I also do a lot of balance and flexibility work (I love foam rollers, stability balls and BOSUs).
I'm also a big advocate of the K.I.S.S. principle - it is sometimes fun to try out the latest crazy exercise you see in a fitness magazine, but what is most important is to do it safely and correctly!
Very good information. Thanks!
Regarding neutral versus hyperextended spine, I'm thinking more about focus and cues when lifting. Most people who are new to lifting bend over by bending their lower back. This tendency is even stronger with added weight. If you say "arch", they bend over more at the hip, which is safer. It's the same basic cue as "chest up." True, if you stand up and try to point your chest upward, you hyperextend. But bending over and holding a weight, your back just goes flat.
Also, I might be wrong on this, but neutral spine is a technical term, and doesn't it mean the lower back has a little arch? I made a correction to "slightly arched".
Powerlifters usually rest the bar low like that, level with armpits, because it places them with better leverage.
You need alot of shoulder and back mass however to accomplish it. Compared to someone like myself who is too skinny and not that strong, and has to rest the bar over the shoulders.
I believe the avitar for FunkyFish describes the pwerlifting method
Steve, A lot of back mass isn't actually needed. I find the high bar position more intuitive and it took me a long time to figure out the low bar position on my own. Of course it would have taken about 5 minutes to learn if I had someone I trusted showing me how.
Power lifters hold the bar absolutely as deep as they can get it for the reason you point out, but for our purposes carrying the bar across the shoulder blades instead of the shoulders is good enough.
For the record, I am built like That Guy's avatar, and FunkyFish's avatar is him.
I recommend everyone get someone knowledgeable to show them proper lifting technique, but they are kinda hard to identify.
Great thread. This has inspired me to integrate dead lifts and squats into my lifting routine. The thing I've always hated about squats is the discomfort of having the bar rubbing on my shoulders and spine. The lower bar position looks promising, and I plan to try it next time I lift.
Jazz, I'm curious what your injury history is, if any, and how it relates to weights. Ever been injured by lifting, and if so what mistake caused it? Ever used weights to rehab an injury in another sport?
I'm also interested to know what percentage of your training time is weights vs. swimming, and whether you do any periodization.
This might be of interest to those following this thread. Eric Cressey explains the Absolute Strength Absolute Speed continumum as it pertains to baseball players and this might hel people see how strength training fits in with their swim training.
He also discusses joint hyper mobility of pitchers toward the end of the video and that commentary is probably of interest to every swimmer with hyper mobile shoulders.
YouTube - The Absolute Strength to Absolute Speed Continuum
Lately I've really been into jumping/plyo-type stuff. I want a vertical jump of 36-40," which would be respectable for a 5'-10" dude.
If you had that kind of vertical jump you would be in the range of elite NBA players and doing 360 dunks and jumping over cars.
This might be of interest to those following this thread. Eric Cressey explains the Absolute Strength Absolute Speed continumum as it pertains to baseball players and this might hel people see how strength training fits in with their swim training.
He also discusses joint hyper mobility of pitchers toward the end of the video and that commentary is probably of interest to every swimmer with hyper mobile shoulders.
YouTube - The Absolute Strength to Absolute Speed Continuum
Michael, Thanks for the video link. I found it extremely thought provoking. I realize that almost all of my dryland resistance stuff is on the right hand side of the spectrum (concentrating on the nervous system and explosiveness) and maybe I need to rethink some of the pure strength stuff and do more periodization. My shoulders won't let me do bench press, so I'm not sure what upper body stuff counts as pure strength. Slow pull-ups perhaps or heavy bent over row. It's the pushing part where my body doesn't want to cooperate and I'm just stuck with lots of pushups and some tricep stuff where my upper arms remain stable.
Jazz, would you consider bulgarian split squats with the olympic bar overhead a strength exercise or just some trendy "functional" exercise? I do love that lower/full body exercise and don't want to add too much more weight overhead.
I also like deadlifts, but usually do them with moderate weight (50 lb.)dumbells between my legs so you can go extra deep. I'm not near max weight, but they sure trash my lower body for the next few days. Any suggestions for upper body push exercises that don't kill the shoulders?
Rich
Also, Rich, I'm sure a lot of people who love to see what dryland stuff you do for speed and explosiveness. That stuff goes well with strength training, so I think this is the thread for it.
Thanks, Jazz; I know I would! :applaud: Rich?
Rich said:
My shoulders won't let me do bench press, so I'm not sure what upper body stuff counts as pure strength. Slow pull-ups perhaps or heavy bent over row. It's the pushing part where my body doesn't want to cooperate and I'm just stuck with lots of pushups and some tricep stuff where my upper arms remain stable.
Rich,
I too can't push heavy any more. When I was 40 yrs old and running I benched 300 lbs without a problem. This was done with doing alot of low rep high weight sets. Now almost seven years into my swimming career I can no longer bench. Perhaps 135 lbs with a long warm up. Seems useless. It's not like my muscles don't have the power, I just feel shoulder pain. I really miss benching.
To me you can't really target pure power without going heavy with low reps but for me the next best thing is reps. I'll do 95 lbs to failure. At least I am targeting chest without the risk of injury. Just back the weight down until the shoulder pain goes away and then bang out reps.
Michael, Thanks for the video link. I found it extremely thought provoking. I realize that almost all of my dryland resistance stuff is on the right hand side of the spectrum (concentrating on the nervous system and explosiveness) and maybe I need to rethink some of the pure strength stuff and do more periodization. My shoulders won't let me do bench press, so I'm not sure what upper body stuff counts as pure strength. Slow pull-ups perhaps or heavy bent over row. It's the pushing part where my body doesn't want to cooperate and I'm just stuck with lots of pushups and some tricep stuff where my upper arms remain stable.
Jazz, would you consider bulgarian split squats with the olympic bar overhead a strength exercise or just some trendy "functional" exercise? I do love that lower/full body exercise and don't want to add too much more weight overhead.
I also like deadlifts, but usually do them with moderate weight (50 lb.)dumbells between my legs so you can go extra deep. I'm not near max weight, but they sure trash my lower body for the next few days. Any suggestions for upper body push exercises that don't kill the shoulders?
Rich
Rich, thanks for your thoughts.
From personal experience, I now know that heavy pushing is not actually necessary at all. It's a great way to build strength, but some people can't do it, and there are alternatives. I took a very long break from pushing because of some nagging elbow pain and then a shoulder catastrophe last winter. I don't think I particularly lacked strength anywhere after that experience (maybe triceps), although I'm glad to get back to my presses.
With that in mind, I have a few recommendations for you re upper body strength:
1. Body weight pull-ups
2. Overhead barbell press, light weight and high reps
3. External rotation and scapular retraction
Pull-ups are just fantastic in every way for swimmers. Something I do sometimes is to choose a target total number of pull-ups, and do however many sets it takes to get there, stopping the sets well short of failure. For example, I might want to do 60 total in half an hour. A good strategy for me would be 12 sets of 5 every couple of minutes, since my max is 15-18.
I recommend overhead barbell press because you are already doing overhead lifting, with 45 pounds if I'm not mistaken? That would be a great weight to start with, or maybe even lighter, for sets of 15-20. I've seen OH press referred to as a shoulder killer, but it's been pretty good to my shoulders. Some other posters in this thread seem to have the same experience. My theory is it's a swimmer thing: OH press is pretty much the opposite of a swimming stroke, so it builds muscles that are perhaps neglected in the pool.
And of course, external rotation and scapular retraction are so important. I think you knew that already. For this, I like all kinds of rows, and the rear deltoid machine. I always do a few sets of dumbbell external shoulder rotation in my upper body workouts.
Overhead split squats are pretty hardcore :) Anything with a single-leg emphasis does not need much added weight to be close to the pure strength end of that spectrum. Lunges are also good: barbell or dumbbell. About overhead weight, I'll say just that I did overhead squats for a while, and eventually found them impractical for leg strength once I got better balance and coordination of the skill, because the weight that it was safe for me to hoist overhead wasn't really challenging to squat.
Also, Rich, I'm sure a lot of people who love to see what dryland stuff you do for speed and explosiveness. That stuff goes well with strength training, so I think this is the thread for it.