2011 NCAAs

Frank I thought the same thing about the 800 free relay. Texas didn't swim well there and it could have made all the difference. Even Hill's anchor leg, if he just split a 1:33, would have moved Texas up to 6th. Regarding your question: I remember a women did it in the 500 maybe 2003? Perhaps from Arizona? I think she was a freshman? The one event you would think this would happen in is the 50 Free because that event seems to have the closest races from 1st to 8th. With that said, in 1978 this happened in the 50 Free. In those days you had to place top 6 to qualify to make the finals. Places 7th through 12th would be the consolation finals. Scott Findorff from USC qualified 7th in 1978 in the 50 Free and in the final was the only swimmer to go under 20 seconds and won the event at 19.94 for a pool record at Long Beach and Andy Coan of Tennesse won the event in the final at :20.29. The only other swimmer I can think of that also accomplished this at the NCAA Div 1 meet was Chris Kemp, a JR from Texas, in 2002 in the 200 Free. He qualified 9th and in the final swam a 1:34.41 to the winning time of 1:34.67 by Stephen Sioui, a FR from Florida and his time was also a pool record at Georgia. I am sure there are others out there but it does not happen ofter especially with the 8 person field as opposed to the 6 person field.

The one event you would think this would happen in is the 50 Free because that event seems to have the closest races from 1st to 8th. With that said, in 1978 this happened in the 50 Free. In those days you had to place top 6 to qualify to make the finals. Places 7th through 12th would be the consolation finals. Scott Findorff from USC qualified 7th in 1978 in the 50 Free and in the final was the only swimmer to go under 20 seconds and won the event at 19.94 for a pool record at Long Beach and Andy Coan of Tennesse won the event in the final at :20.29. The only other swimmer I can think of that also accomplished this at the NCAA Div 1 meet was Chris Kemp, a JR from Texas, in 2002 in the 200 Free. He qualified 9th and in the final swam a 1:34.41 to the winning time of 1:34.67 by Stephen Sioui, a FR from Florida and his time was also a pool record at Georgia. I am sure there are others out there but it does not happen ofter especially with the 8 person field as opposed to the 6 person field. Frank, I don't have access to the ncaa archives, but I believe that the 1966 ncaa's at Air Force was the first time they had consol finals. I also remember that the winner of consols in the 50 free had the fastest time. Someone I had never heard of before. Interestingly, a high shool friend from Florida and I were tied for the number one seed going into the meet. He sprained his ankle messing around in his fraternity house a week before the meet and was on crutches. I had just gotten out of the infirmary after a 2 week bout with pneumonia. If memory serves, I lost in a swim off for consols and he didn't make it that far. Maybe my masters "career" could be catagorized as unfinished business. Rich

Frank, I don't have access to the ncaa archives, but I believe that the 1966 ncaa's at Air Force was the first time they had consol finals. I also remember that the winner of consols in the 50 free had the fastest time. Someone I had never heard of before. Interestingly, a high shool friend from Florida and I were tied for the number one seed going into the meet. He sprained his ankle messing around in his fraternity house a week before the meet and was on crutches. I had just gotten out of the infirmary after a 2 week bout with pneumonia. If memory serves, I lost in a swim off for consols and he didn't make it that far. Maybe my masters "career" could be catagorized as unfinished business. Rich Rich: You are correct that 1966 was the first time consolation finals for the next 6 places were added to the NCAA Championship. And you are also correct that the 7th place swimmer beat the time of the NCAA Champion winner and this is the first time this has ever happened in NCAA history. The swimmer that won was named James "Sandy" Van Kennen and his time was :21. 39 and the year before this swimmer won the College Division 50 Free which was like what Divison II is today. The 7th place swimmer was named Robert Graham from Texas Tech and he swam a :21.37 to beat the NCAA Champion. He qualified in 12th place at 21.8 and had to have a swim off with you to get that spot. I think the guy you are referring to from Florida was named Ed T. Dioguardi because in the 1965 NCAA meet he swam a time of :21.4 in prelims and that was the same time that you had in the finals when you got 2nd place to Steve Clark. He did a :21.7 to finish 5th in 1965 and he did :22.0 and finished 21st in 1966 so you remember well. I looked this up because I have this info so I don't want anybody to think that I would remember this. Hugh Roddin used to swim with one of the fastest 50 guys of this period named Phil Denkevitz at Maryland. He was super fast for a 50 and could hold his own in a 100 but could absolutely not swim a decent Long Course Meters swim in sprint free. Perhaps you remember him.

Anyone know where or if there are videos are posted of the meet? I'm particularly interested in the 1650 and 200 fly finals. Great racing!

In the NCAA Division 1 history, I believe there has been two swimmers that have had the faster time in the consolation finals than swimmers in the finals. Frank I thought the same thing about the 800 free relay. Texas didn't swim well there and it could have made all the difference. Even Hill's anchor leg, if he just split a 1:33, would have moved Texas up to 6th. Regarding your question: I remember a women did it in the 500 maybe 2003? Perhaps from Arizona? I think she was a freshman?

You can go over to ESPN 3 right now and scroll to the sport of swimming and the menu will you show you the NCAA Championships presented by Enterprise Rent-A-Car. You will see both the 1650 Free and 200 Fly and any other events you want. The 1650 Free is shown in its entirety and you can see the swimming and hear the announcer call out the splits and talking about the different strategies. Grodzki and LaTourettee were under 7:15 to set a blistering pace at the half way point and it was a classic with 4 swimmers battling. Grodzki, LaTourettee, McLean, and the eventual winner McBroom. McBroom did not take the lead until the 1200 mark and they pointed out that he used to swim for Minnesota and transferred to Texas so he had a kind of a home pool advantage.

The NCAAs will show on ESPN on: Friday, Mar. 25 07:45 PM (eastern) SWIMMING NCAA NCAA Men's Swimming & Diving Championship presented by Enterprise Rent-A-Car Saturday, Mar. 26 07:45 PM (eastern) SWIMMING NCAA NCAA Men's Swimming & Diving Championship presented by Enterprise Rent-A-Car Catch all of the action from the Aquatic Center at the University of Minnesota. Watch Replay 2011 Men's Div 1 NCAAs 2011 NCAA Division 1 Men's Swimming and Diving Championships March 24 - 26, 2011 Minneapolis, Minn University of Minnessota Aquatic Center RESULTS WATCH 2011 Men's NCAA official psych sheet Minnesota NCAA site Wonder who will wear what? Women's 2011 NCAA's 2011 NCAA Division 1 Women's Swimming and Diving Championships Results Ande's photos from the 2011 Women's NCAAs in Austin Archive of Men's & Women's results

Both the NCAA Championship meets will be on ESPN U TV this next week and both times are EST. Women on 4-05-11 from 1:30 to 3:00 PM. Men on 4-06-11 from 1:30 to 3:00 PM.

You are correct that 1966 was the first time consolation finals for the next 6 places were added to the NCAA Championship.... Skip, are the results from previous NCAA championships available to the public somewhere?

Skip, are the results from previous NCAA championships available to the public somewhere? The only previous NCAA results that I know about online are the ones Ande linked from the NCAA website that go back to 2000. On the USA Swimming site they had the results as far back as the late 1980's and the Swimming World website did to about 7 or 8 years ago. Since both sites have been revamped in the last couple of years I think now you can only go back to 2000. One place that used to publish all NCAA Championship results, College Conference Meets, High School State Championships, and All American lists for both College Swimming and High School Swimming was the Official Collegiate Scholastic Swimming Guide. They had them for all sports as far back as the 1920's and had them when I was in High School/College and I used to collect them until they stop publishing them. 1982 was the last year that these Scholastic Guides for all sports were published. I have all of the years for the 1960's and 1970's. They used to feature a Swimmer on the cover and there have been USMS Masters swimmers on the cover. The 1973 cover had Jim McConica and the 1977 cover had Jim Montgomery. When they quite publishing those, the only place that I know of that had this information was in the Swimming World magazines. They have all of the Swimming World magazines from 1960 on the website but you have to be a premium member to download them. I have almost all the NCAA results from the 1980's and 1990's because I saved my Swimming World magazines. I have never been able to find anything online from past meets. The NCAA site just lists the NCAA Champions for the events and the team champions for all of the Divisions.