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Here is the USMS Statement on Suits from 10/11/09 says the FINA "meeting in mid-January" I was curious if a particular suit was legal so I wrote rules@usms.org on Friday Kathy Casey sent me the following list, which I repasted at. U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums - View Single Post - Ande's Swimming Tips: Swimming Faster Faster Ande, Do we know when the FINA meeting is in January? Are our bodysuits legal until FINA rules? Patrick

Quick, quick, put the worms back in the can. Oh! Oh! There's another one! Get it! (insert can of worms smiley here) THIS topic could get very ugly indeed- taking out the fly kick in backstroke. Mr. Ehoch you like to live life on the edge. :D

As far as I know, you CAN do a flip turn in *** and fly, as long as you touch the wall with two hands first. Think how much faster we would be without the two hand touch first... Keep the two hand touch for the finish but modify the BR and Fly turns like they did for the backstrokers...

Ande, Do we know when the FINA meeting is in January? Are our bodysuits legal until FINA rules? Patrick Bodysuits will be legal for masters until FINA issues a ruling. The meeting is suppose to be Jan. 16-17. After that, the suits will either be declared illegal for us(boo) and legal for masters only. I am glad the Blueseventy is going to have a legal suit because I wasn't going to send $260 to speedo for their suit.

Can someone post a link to retailers please, especially those that give USMS discount. www.swimandtri.com They are in Knoxville.

Agree with Chris - suits will not make much of a difference. I'm glad to see the tech suit manufacturers are moving into the post-2009 era. Hopefully masters swimming can (ahem) follow suit. Well - you have a good point, but I would like to see your response if they tried to make dolphin kicks for backstroke illegal :) (which one can make a pretty good argument for .. it has nothing to do with actually swimming backstroke)

You might get to swim the meet on the 24th in the tech suit. After the FINA meeting, how long will it take to get the official announcement? The FINA ruling will apply only to meters. The USMS Rules Committee will consult and make a recommendation for USMS in regard to yards. I don't know then if anyone else has to approve the Rule Comm recommendation. Who knows when the final ruling will be issued?!?! I thought that FINA rules applied immediately to USMS but that then we could meet and decide to to things differently but that the default position was FINA.

You might get to swim the meet on the 24th in the tech suit. After the FINA meeting, how long will it take to get the official announcement? The FINA ruling will apply only to meters. The USMS Rules Committee will consult and make a recommendation for USMS in regard to yards. I don't know then if anyone else has to approve the Rule Comm recommendation. Who knows when the final ruling will be issued?!?!

Bodysuits will be legal for masters until FINA issues a ruling. The meeting is suppose to be Jan. 16-17. Bummer, I was hoping for one more SCY B70 nero comp meet on Jan 24th! As far as I know, you CAN do a flip turn in *** and fly, as long as you touch the wall with two hands first. Yes, you can. My daughter's first 50 fly as an 8 year old she did exactly that. The S&T judges didn't really know what to do -- a hand went up, a hand went down, a call was made, a referee overruled and she was legal.

I suppose no one knows for sure but the new suits should be slower than existing B70s, even for women because: - permeable fabric should prevent trapping of air against skin, eliminating flotation - "textile" fabric may have higher drag than rubber-coated fabric - less coverage of skin due to knee length maximum - elimination of zipper could reduce coverage to allow the suit to be put on without a zipper I am sure they will be slower. However: -- permeable material can certainly still trap air if it is hydrophobic enough (I have grabbed a hydrophobic filter in lab by mistake and tried in vain to force water thru it; it doesn't work even though the filter is porous). I suspect buoyancy (density) of the material was a bigger reason for flotation of the previous suits; I've always thought the air trapping thing was a red herring. Even practice suits will trap some air. -- maybe, though I hesitate to put limits on the abilities of material scientists and suit manufacturers to innovate. -- I definitely think coverage is maybe the most important factor of the new rules for men. But how significant is coverage of shins/calves? Some but not (say) 5%. It is just one datapoint but in a trials/finals format last summer I fast just as fast in jammers as in legskins; at the very least this implies (for me anyway) that the extra coverage is not a huge factor. -- less compression without the zipper; another important factor. For women, my gut feeling is that (a) loss of buoyancy of the material and (b) less compression will be the most important factors. Just my :2cents: