Split request for 400IM

I think split requests are a great thing for masters. We often don't have too many meets to begin with. Some meets like our USF meet in Feb only offer 50s and 200s. So if you wanted a 100 split, swim a 200. I don't think a lead off split is any different than swimming that event. :2cents: :2cents: (this time I gave my 4 cents worth!)

I sit corrected, here's Kathy's response From: kathyj.casey Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:29 PM To: Rasmussen, Anders (AUSTIN, TX) Subject: RE: Hi Kathy Yes, if timed by fully automatic timing and the swimmer completes the race without being disqualified. See 103.13.2, page 24, which lists the fly leg of the IM as an example and also see 103.13.1, page 24, and 105.2.2, page 38. The swimmer could get a 50 fly time and a 100 fly time from the 400 IM, and both could count as official times for USMS records and Top 10 if the swimmer completes the 400 IM without being disqualified and the times are recorded by fully automatic timing. Kathy Won't work, you're swimming an IM & not a butterfly event I don't believe the split will count. Ask Kathy Casey, USMS rules chair for confirmation ande

Thanks for the responses. Now I just have to concentrate on keeping the last 300 legal. Speedo, good luck on your swims!!! Just one more thought....if the 100 free and fly are your focus events, how much are you really willing to isolate and focus on these two events, at the expense of all other events you might swim? You might want to see if it's worth re-examinating all your events, and doing a 100 free split off of something, swim the 100 fly event instead of trying to do it off the 400IM. The issue I can see with what you have written is that if you are worried about finishing legally, I would think you might end up holding back on the 100 fly leg.

Speedo, good luck on your swims!!! Just one more thought....if the 100 free and fly are your focus events, how much are you really willing to isolate and focus on these two events, at the expense of all other events you might swim? You might want to see if it's worth re-examinating all your events, and doing a 100 free split off of something, swim the 100 fly event instead of trying to do it off the 400IM. The issue I can see with what you have written is that if you are worried about finishing legally, I would think you might end up holding back on the 100 fly leg. Good point. I'm also swimming the 50 and 200 free (these four comprise my 4 'focus events'). I suppose I could try to get a 100 free split in the 800 free. For the 400IM, I'm not as worried about a fatigue-induced DQ as I am with doing legal turns between strokes while daydreaming/recovering, so I'm not sure I would hold back, but you never know. I'll think about this some more- thanks!

To be honest, one of my favorite warm downs after a practice is 300 yards/meters done as 100 back, 100 ***, 100 free. Often I don't have enough time so I'll just do 50 of each (and even more often lately, just a 50 or 100 easy!). Anyway, the 300 (back-***-free) is almost perfectly suited to be a warm down after a 100 fly, in my opinion. My personal unsolicited opinion is I don't like all the split requests and think swimmers should do a better job of just working with the meet event order and "dealing with it." But again, there is nothing against the rules to doing a split request, it's just my opinion (influenced from my perspective as a meet director because split request swims usually interfere with the flow of the meet; and Hytek doesn't make it easy to submit the times with their software so often the times never get submitted anyway). This is a very valid opinion! Meet directors, hytek operators, timers officials, starters.....they are the ones doing all the heavy lifting at the meets, and especially meet directors. There is so much that goes into putting on a meet. At our last meet, I joked, but was quite serious about charging for split requests or any special requests. I was quite willing to be charged an extra $10 for each split request (I got 3), regardless of whether I actually swam the event, and an extra $20 for having my times submitted to USA for being an observed meet (more work and had to verify my suit). I told them to seriously consider it and if so, then include it in the meet information next time. Does anyone know if there is specifically a rule against this?