I searched and couldn't find this posted, but I could have missed it.
Anyways, its pretty interesting because the official basically says Cavic touched first, but didn't "push" and slid, while Phelps pushed with force, etc etc. (He talks about this right at halfway through the video)
www.swimchampions.com/.../
Personally I think you have to live with however the time system works as long as it is functional. If it was functional and Cavic didn't press hard enough, its tough luck.
The only alternative is to just present a "tie" when you are within the margin of error of the equipment.
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I am ordering new glasses because I do not see what bekalc sees. Maybe it is my glasses. Maybe bekalc's glasses are rose colored and he sees only what he wants to see.
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What did the back-up timers results show?
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Here’s a better enlargement of Cavic's finish:
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../content.6.html
photo: Heinz Kluetmeier/SI
Flip back to the previous frame on the SI site and you can see by comparison that Phelps has clearly finished ahead of Cavic.
Cavic is reaching out with finger tips while gliding into the wall whereas Phelps fingers are already bent from having hit the wall first.
From Omega Timing: The ends of swimming races are also recorded with OMEGA’s high-speed video cameras which the judges can consult if any dispute should arise.
Photos were also taken by Omega cameras placed directly above the finish line. Serbia coach Kapor Mladen filed an appeal, but accepted the results after reviewing the Omega photos immediately after the race.
www.nbcolympics.com/.../newsid=252336.html
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We must drive all the way to the finish. Cavic just finished poorly.
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I think they said Cavic seemed to go dead in the water .
Clarke Scholes was ahead of me by half a body length 5 feet from the end of a 100 and I touched him out. He was stationary.
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You know...I see the same thing...everything I've looked at shows Phelps touching first...I'm missing something...are there other angles or pics? Wasn't there a tie in the 100 free for the bronze at Beijing? This wasn't a tie..Phelps clearly got the gold....
to me saying you have definitive photo proof that Phelps touched the wall first is as silly as saying you have difinitive photo proof that Cavic touched first. We do have definitive proof that Phelps' touch pad registered him touching first. But that is not the same thing. Anyone who says the photos "prove" anything one way or the other has a preset notion of what they are seeing. If I photo shopped the images to switch who was swimming in what lane, took the body suit off of Cavic and put it on Phelps I bet people would say that it is "Clear" that Phelps (ie Cavic) touched first.
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Apparently *some* do, but so far no one has shown any evidence showing Cavic touching first in this thread. Really, I'd love to see it. And, just for the record, I'm not trying to argue with you, David. I keep hearing there's evidence showing Cavic touched first, but no one seems to have it.
You know...I see the same thing...everything I've looked at shows Phelps touching first...I'm missing something...are there other angles or pics? Wasn't there a tie in the 100 free for the bronze at Beijing? This wasn't a tie..Phelps clearly got the gold....
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Here’s a better enlargement of Cavic's finish:
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../content.6.html
photo: Heinz Kluetmeier/SI
Flip back to the previous frame on the SI site and you can see by comparison that Phelps has clearly finished ahead of Cavic.
Cavic is reaching out with finger tips while gliding into the wall whereas Phelps fingers are already bent from having hit the wall first.
I'm not sure how else one can see that photo--unless they think Phelps was just angling his hand upward (which would have made his win even less probable). Cavic's fingers appear to either have barely hit the pad or not at all. Phelps has not only hit the pad but his fingers are bent as a result. Again, this whole discussion seems odd to me.
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We must drive all the way to the finish. Cavic just finished poorly.
I think we all agree on that!
