If the full body rubber suits do end up getting banned, why should USMS follow their lead on this issue? (i.e. assuming the suits would continue to be manufactured).
Isn't Masters mostly for each individual to pursue what they want and the level they want out of the sport?
If the full body suit is preferred by many USMS participants, why not satisfy the base by keeping it available?
What's really the point of forcing old USMS swimmers out of their girdles if FINA bans them?
John Smith
I think there will be about a 4-5% difference(maybe a little more) on average between jammers and speed suits.
I think about half of that and maybe less for some. A 4%-5% increase in time is a huge difference to attribute to the suit only. Has anyone had a 5% time decrease by wearing a tech suit while training the exact same way?
Tim
since I swim in both USA and USMS meets, I need to break out the old fast banana hammocks again. on that note, does anyone know where one might be able to obtain a paper suit? or is it even still possible to purchase them from somewhere?
Heard a rumor that Thorpes body suit with arms was so tight he wore another tech suit under it to help slide it on. Bet there were some swimmers stacking suits years ago before FINA was even aware that it was an issue.
FINA & USA swimming needs to do something about reframing the real records, I have a feeling it's going to be a long time before we see a male in a jammer break 21 in the 50 LCM free, there's comparisons in every event. I'm curious to see what times will be in 2010 (especially mine)
I think there will be about a 4-5% difference(maybe a little more) on average between jammers and speed suits.
Speedo FS Pro is essentially a paper suit.It comes in Jammers and I suppose in briefs though I haven't checked.Tyr Tracer Light is similar.
worn or felt all of them, and none of them felt quite like a paper suit. I had people tell me the LZR was basically a paper suit too, again, it did not feel the same to me.
Agonswim sells paper suits for women. Not sure about the men's line. I love paper fabric
^this...I will check it out and see if they have a mens line too.
Here's where the math becomes challenging. Which 100 time do you use for the denominator?
You're trying to find out how much slower you'll go with a non-tech suit, so your baseline is the tech suit. The calculation would be 2/52.9 = 3.8%
Conversely, if you wanted to know how much faster the tech suit is compared to jammers it would be 2/54.9 = 3.6%.
Thanks, Kirk, it looks to the simple minded that I am losing more than I gained.
But I suppose it's like the stock market.
If you lose 50 percent in one year, and regain 50 percent the next year, you are still down a hell of a lot of money, right?
Example: a $2 million portfolio loses 50 percent in 2008. Amount in account now: $1 million.
The $1 million portfolio gains 50 percent in 2009. Amount now: $1.5 million.
Net loss: $1/2 million.
Now, apply the same basic math but start with my own portfolio, worth $117 in 2008.
I think women must really like me for me.
But somehow, I am once again slipping away from the moorings of the original topic.
since I swim in both USA and USMS meets, I need to break out the old fast banana hammocks again. on that note, does anyone know where one might be able to obtain a paper suit? or is it even still possible to purchase them from somewhere?
Speedo FS Pro is essentially a paper suit.It comes in Jammers and I suppose in briefs though I haven't checked.Tyr Tracer Light is similar.
the difference for me was .5 seconds for a 50 and 1 second for a 100.
At my speed, that's about a 1/60 or 1.6 % difference.
I am not certain if I am doing the math correctly here, but last season, I swam a 52.90 for the 100 free in a B70. I can't be absolutely sure of this, but I might be able to do a 54.9 in jammers (though I'd be very surprised if I could go this fast.) The difference is a minimum of 2 seconds, though probably more.
Here's where the math becomes challenging. Which 100 time do you use for the denominator?
If you use the faster time, i.e., 52.90, then 2 seconds represents a 3.78 percent increase in time without the suit.
If you use the slower time, i.e., 54.9, then 2 seconds represents a 3.64 decrease in time with the suit.
Either way, I anticipate going almost 4 percent slower without the speed suit, and quite possibly 5 percent or more. This is just for the 100. I wonder if the change might be even more exacerbated for longer distances, or, for that matter, the 50?
Here's what I propose: some math wizzard on these forums take Phil Arcuini's excellent Finnish Formula calculator http://n3times.com/swimtimes/ and add a further fudge factor for B70 body kayaks-to-polyester jammer conversion, and guys like me will have some way to convince ourselves that the sudden plummeting in our swimming performance post B70 era is not necessarily the result of a heart myxoma or occult leprosy.
