They were selling the Jaked suits at the swedish nationals two weeks ago, and kids were lining up to get 2-3 each.
not sure what they cost in the US, but with the tax system in place over here they were running around $530 each!
Really? You didn't mean to disparage Mark's hard work? And yet, you managed to marginalize it in yet another post.
Hmmmm.
Disparage & marginalize eh?
Funny how some people choose to view things. So to make it real clear for you (and Geek) Pwolf...EVERY swimmer at the meet you can pretty much count on about .5 -1.0 seconds faster in a 100 wearing the Jaked than any other suit...clear enough? That includes everyone who never broke thru certain time bariers such as 1:00 or 50.0 no matter how hard they have or have not been working....
Craig Lord is a complete bozo. His views are on the extreme edge of the "anti-suit" crowd. But for the record, while he may have been full of hot-air and hyperbole he nevers states that the Jaked has been "proven" to be the fastest suit.
(I love it when people make up words! Indeformability reminds me of something our last President would have said!)
EVERY swimmer at the meet you can pretty much count on about .5 -1.0 seconds faster in a 100 wearing the Jaked than any other suit...clear enough?
Unless their names are Cullen Jones or Dara Torres, both of whom were pretty significantly faster in the 50 free in LZRs than in Jakeds.
Interesting how, if Phleps goes 49.5 or thereabouts wearing a Jaked, you'll attribute it entirely to the suit. Do you think he was fully tapered for that 50.2? Or that faster competition at Worlds might not push him a little bit faster? Of course, any new sprint-oriented training he might be doing nowadays has no effect.
Switzer entered himself with a 2:04.0. Sandbagger! :) Could be a good race between him and Chris Stevenson. I would expect Chris to be in that ballpark, too.
I don't know if I'll be in his ballpark, though I do hope to go under 2:00.
You want to see sandbagging, check out Switzer's 400 free entry time. 4:35, for a person who went something like 4:43 in the 500 at Clovis?:confused: (we definitely need a sandbagging icon)
Nice to see Bobby Patten entered in a meet, though.
Unless their names are Cullen Jones or Dara Torres, both of whom were pretty significantly faster in the 50 free in LZRs than in Jakeds.
Interesting how, if Phleps goes 49.5 or thereabouts wearing a Jaked, you'll attribute it entirely to the suit. Do you think he was fully tapered for that 50.2? Or that faster competition at Worlds might not push him a little bit faster? Of course, any new sprint-oriented training he might be doing nowadays has no effect.
If you saw Cullen's race in prelime he did wear a Jaked...and lost what I would guess to be at least .2 on the blown finish..maybe more.
Dara wore the Jaked in the finals I watched...
www.swimnetwork.com/.../nationals_women_s_50m_free_a_final-16825.html
Not sure why you continue to play the skeptic on what these suits do Chris as you have been around the sport for a long time and have first hand experiance with them...and 'm sure you've spoken with a number of folks competing at this level and have heard there stories.
Lump...Speedo already opened the door so to speak on this subject so its not speculation.
That includes everyone who never broke thru certain time bariers such as 1:00 or 50.0 no matter how hard they have or have not been working....
So, in summary, you now marginalize any and all swimmers who improve or do lifetime bests simply by the brand of suit they are wearing. On this forum we have, on one hand, Mr. Negative #1 who owns the rights to how hard adults should swim and their level of dedication and, on the other hand, Mr. Negative #2 who feels obligated to put down any swimmer who puts up great times b/c of a swim suit solely.
Geez, such anxiety over others.
Well - I am trying out the suits tomorrow -
6x50 from a push on 4 + minutes ... 2 plain / 2 Blue 70 / 2 Jaked .... I am usually pretty consistant with these type of swims. The only problem is going to be trying to get on the Jaked in less than 5 minutes - that may be impossible..... I know - it's not a research type test, but good enough for me.
For what it's worth - as I said before, it was soooo much more difficult to get the Jaked on, but once you have it on - it feels much more comfortable than the Blue 70.
So, in summary, you now marginalize any and all swimmers who improve or do lifetime bests simply by the brand of suit they are wearing.
You can call in "marginaling"....I call it reality hillbilly!
And yes I am clearly marginalizing your opinion...
If you saw Cullen's race in prelime he did wear a Jaked...and lost what I would guess to be at least .2 on the blown finish..maybe more.
Dara wore the Jaked in the finals I watched...
www.swimnetwork.com/.../nationals_women_s_50m_free_a_final-16825.html
Not sure why you continue to play the skeptic on what these suits do Chris as you have been around the sport for a long time and have first hand experiance with them...and 'm sure you've spoken with a number of folks competing at this level and have heard there stories.
Cullen swam (significantly) faster in the swim-off, wearing a LZR. Yes, Dara wore a Jaked, and was significantly slower than in the Olympics (with the LZR). Granted, she also has a knee injury.
See, that's the thing...whenever someone swims slower with a super-suit you (and almost everybody) always look for extenuating circumstances: poor finish, injury, what-have-you. When people swim faster, you look no further.
As for being skeptical, that is the nature of science. No one at all was talking about the Jakeds when people wore them in the Olympics. Now they are the hot suit, and the reason that Auburn "stole" the NCAA championships. In 6 months it will be something else.
I haven't actually talked to anyone directly who has used a Jaked, nor have I worn one or held one. I don't have the contacts that you and others do with current elites; I talk to local fast age-groupers and a few local college kids. None of them around here have Jakeds, they still have LZRs and B70s. I honestly don't know that the Jaked is faster or not. Absolutely it may be.
Many people -- maybe most -- seem to have success with suit X. But I have also heard of others who have not improved, or even done worse, with that same suit. You just don't hear their stories very much, since they aren't on the podium. There are inherent biases in these anecdotal data that favor attributing (or blaming) performances on the suits.
By the way, I swam an in-season meet several weeks ago and wore a B70 leggings...I was tired from training and hoping to get some "pep." Result: crappy, crappy swimming, no better than practice swimming in training briefs. Maybe I didn't say the magic words just right before the races.
