I think we can all be certain that the suits are here to stay -- love them, hate them, it does not really matter -- Speedo, TYR and the others will not allow the suits to all over sudden disappear.
But, we as Masters swimmers have to make a decision about our own reasoning to compete -- why do we compete in swim meets ?
There are many reasons - social, participating in a sport beats the hell out of watching one on TV and so on --- but for me, 2 of the main reasons are the competition aspects. We obviously compete against other swimmers --- but more than maybe many other sports, we compete against ourselves. I can tell you my best 100 Free from every season over the last 30 years (10 of which I did not compete).
I have used most of the suits and did very well -- I set some personal bests and also achieved some record swims, but I have no idea how my times really compare to other seasons. I can keep telling myself that all that speedwork and lifting paid off - but I just don't know.
I like to give a golf comparison -- let's say you have a home course and you always shoot in the low 90s going from the Blue Tees --- well guess what, if you are going from the white tees you will probably average high 80s and going from the red you may get down to the mid to low 80s. But you are not a better player because of it. The LZR seems to be the "white tees" and the new Jaked suit may be the "red tees".
I think we really have to make a decision now to what matters more -- your personal records and history of swimming or the competition against other swimmers ? For me, this may change from meet to meet - but I must be able to stay honest with myself and be able to compare my times -- I do not want to be cheating myself.
Old generations suits (Fastskin Pro) only for: all major Masters meets (individual swims) except for Worlds. That means, I am ok to lose a few places in a meet, in order to know what my time really means. I could just go really old school -- but I think the older generation suits are pretty equal to shaving -- and they allow you to be "shaved" and swim fast in season, which is a huge plus.
LZR / Blue70 for: relays, Worlds and maybe some USS meets, if I am going for a time standard. I want to give any relay my fastest time possible - I swimming Worlds to win the title, so if others use the suits, I will have to do the same - if I go to USS meets, I may use them to get into the finals or to make a time standard for a big meet.
It may take some adjustments - but I think it will work --
Who is with me ?
Well, I couldn't. Some of us are half blind, and utterly dependent on our contacts. So goggles are mandatory/essential equipment for me.
**dons bow tie, the better to impersonate a law professor**
So: Goggles help some body types more than they help others. Many people suspect likewise that B70s and Jakeds help some body types more than they help others. Those people suspect, for instance, that swimmers with average body fat and average SDK ability who would lose to lean swimmers bearing rocket SDKs if both swam in tanks or briefs can keep up or even win if both are wearing full-body B70s or Jakeds.
Let's assume that those suspicions are correct. If they are, would this difference in the suits' impact be a reason to deem the B70 and the Jaked unfair, and to bar their use in the future? Why or why not?
There are so many ways runners could point out how their shoes enhance their performance, but you don't hear them getting into it the way we have about the suits.
I betcha there'd be an outcry if a new type of shoes hit the market that caused world records to drop by the score.
Bad comparison, like saying you can't swim a race without water
No, water is analogous to the course. Saying you can't swim without water would be more like saying you can't have a bike race without a road or trail.
Sorry about the "too cheap" crack. Cost is a very good reason to not wear a tech suit, I just didn't think that is what ehoch was trying to get at.
Tim
Didn't even occur to me to be offended, I'm so thrifty :) Seriously... Is that sad???
**dons bow tie, the better to impersonate a law professor**
So: Goggles help some body types more than they help others. Many people suspect likewise that B70s and Jakeds help some body types more than they help others. Those people suspect, for instance, that swimmers with average body fat and average SDK ability who would lose to lean swimmers bearing rocket SDKs if both swam in tanks or briefs can keep up or even win if both are wearing full-body B70s or Jakeds.
Let's assume that those suspicions are correct. If they are, would this difference in the suits' impact be a reason to deem the B70 and the Jaked unfair, and to bar their use in the future? Why or why not?
lol
No, inequitable impact is not a reason to ban the B70 and LZRs. That is just part of sport. There are many inequities built into sport, and there is never a level playing field, as we've discussed. I don't like being short vis-a-vis my backstroke competitors -- when height is clearly an advantage. Too bad for me.
I think the jury is still out on whether B70s help those with rocket SDKs or help those with poorer SDKs. Paul Smith thinks the former. Chris Stevenson seems to think it doesn't help him that much.
The Jaked seems like it will be history soon anyway.
well, true but it's scholarship or work through. I am not living on pasta and cat food so they can get have it easy for 4 years. I'm serious, about not paying for college. They can come home after to clear their debts.
We gave our daughter a pool of money (get it? shallow pool, albeit) to fund 4 years of college and if she required more per year than what it is (pool divided by 4) she had to fund the diff through student loans plus, if she wanted spending money to go out (pool funds included meals thru campus cafeteria), she has to work (part time/full time - her choice) depending on how much money she feels she "needs".
My only vice's now are meets and suits. Food, too, I guess. My wife says I eat like a teenager.
You drive like a teenager too Clemmons!
Do I need to bring up Pac Champs and your little encounter with local law enforcement?
Jim not only swims fast, apparently he drives fast too!
When I think of height, Nadine Day comes to mind. I think I've seen her a hand full of times (with a cap and goggles on), and I don't think I could pick her out on the street. I remember her not being very tall, and she swims REALLY fast.
Next.
You drive like a teenager too Clemmons!
Do I need to bring up Pac Champs and your little encounter with local law enforcement?
Jim not only swims fast, apparently he drives fast too!
Ha, ha...oops. :blush: Only a warning. :blush:
I betcha there'd be an outcry if a new type of shoes hit the market that caused world records to drop by the score.
No, water is analogous to the course. Saying you can't swim without water would be more like saying you can't have a bike race without a road or trail.
There may not be an outcry. World class runners might just go out and buy the shoes. I suspect every sport that utilizes equipment has had records shattered in a short period of time due to improvements in equipment.
FINA has hopefully drawn the line. I guess the next thing that everybody will be squawking about is times done in saltwater pools.
