Ban the tech suits?

pot stirring time: two more topics for poll/discussion relating to this subject. 1. at what point do the tech suits become unreasonable? a- $500 suit = (-).5 sec pre 100 yds b- $1,000 suit = (-)1 second per 100 yds c- $5,000 suit = (-) 2 seconds per 100 yards you get the idea. so i would love to hear from the pro suits here. 2. how many folks on this forum in favor of the tech suits are in fact not paying for them? come on.... full disclosure here. Are you assuming FINA approves these suits? I recall this post from another anti-tech suit thread: "I understand that there are "concept" suits (not related to swimming) that have the potential, via some biofeedback mechanism, to postpone or mitigate the effects of fatigue. I also saw another post that mentioned a nano-fabric material that is hydrophobic (much like an article about water lillies in a recent SciAm). My point is that the current generation of swim skin/speed suits are merely a manifestation of technology and that we should expect further performance enhancing developments." Those sound like they could be a tad spendy. I can't see shelling out big bucks for a suit that only lasts a few swims. Apart from gossip, I've only had one masters swimmer tell me that he/she gets free suits. I'm sure the vast majority don't.

You are can always go back to water polo then. I will examine what you wrote and place it in my consideration file.

Hey Thewookie I just don't get the idea of how using a tech suit for racing in swimming is any kind of athletic achievement anyway. :confused: If all you want to do is just swim for the thrill of racing, the most effective way to increase your speed is to increase your propulsion -and this can be done by simply putting on a set of paddles and flippers. They aren't as gimmicky as an expensive "tech suit", but they definitely make swimming more racey. :blah: If you really want to be in a "racey" sport, then get into NASCAR. But if you want to race in swimming, then just be a good swimmer. :agree: Dolphin 2 You don't race. You have never raced in a meet. You don't understand the mental side of the sport. If you have never been involved in the competitive side of the sport, you can't understand all the things that go into racing. The highs and lows. The athletic achievement comes from the athlete. The type of pool, lane lines, starting blocks, goggles,training done and suit all aid in the athlete getting the achievement. But, you have never done anything in the sport other than thrash around in a lap pool, so you wouldn't know anything about competive swimming and your countless crap proves it too. NASCAR uses technology for drivers,cars, crew chiefs, and pit crews to help them improve their performance. NASCAR has gone through a similar transformation as swimming. The car's have evolved, just like the suits. How they train the drives have evolved, just like swimmers. The materials used in the make-up for the cars have evolved into a more streamlined, lighter, slicker material to help the drivers get the best preformance out of the themselves and the cars. Just like swimsuits. So, you are not only wrong about swimming but auto racing as well. Since you don't compete and haven't competed, why do you care what suits are legal for competition? Or is it you just feel like being a pain in the butt, making uninformed comments to prove ignorance?

...place it in my consideration file. The same place a lot of us will put your opinions about tech suits.

I have had a change of heart. The "cabal of friendliness" has made me see the light. Tech suits for everyone and everyone a tech suit. I do propose an improvement. If we could raise the material up a bit, say to just below the nose, it would solve most people's problems.

Only the wealthy will own records. That is ridiculous. You can get one for under $200 these days, hardly requires much wealth. Get off your high horse, leave us alone, fart into the wind instead.

That's because you've never been on a swim team, never been in a meet, never competed in swimming of any sort, never worn a fast suit, despite telling us you had at one point, never been around a club team, never been on or around a USMS team. Other than that, you are fully credentialed to speak on swimming. Hey Aquageek Nothing in your reply presents a valid argument against what I said in my previous post. What you should have done is just quoted my post and simply left the space for the rest of your post blank. :anim_coffee: Dolphin 2

pot stirring time: two more topics for poll/discussion relating to this subject. 1. at what point do the tech suits become unreasonable? a- $500 suit = (-).5 sec pre 100 yds b- $1,000 suit = (-)1 second per 100 yds c- $5,000 suit = (-) 2 seconds per 100 yards you get the idea. so i would love to hear from the pro suits here. 2. how many folks on this forum in favor of the tech suits are in fact not paying for them? come on.... full disclosure here.

pot stirring time: two more topics for poll/discussion relating to this subject. 1. at what point do the tech suits become unreasonable? a- $500 suit = (-).5 sec pre 100 yds b- $1,000 suit = (-)1 second per 100 yds c- $5,000 suit = (-) 2 seconds per 100 yards you get the idea. so i would love to hear from the pro suits here. 2. how many folks on this forum in favor of the tech suits are in fact not paying for them? come on.... full disclosure here. As to your first question, I don't know at what price they become unreasonable for every individual,since different people have different incomes and are willing to spend different amounts. If the suits have the life of a B70 or they improve their durabilty, then I could see people paying between $500-$1000 for them. Esp., if you plan on using one suit for an extended period of time(several nationals/ big time sectionals/zone championship meets) If the suit goes up to a $1000, but only has 2-3 uses, then I will probably stick to the FS Pro II or a TYR/Arena similar style suit. As for your second question, I pay for mine.

Re-read the link you posted. They are not seeking to ban tech suits out right. They are seeking to limit the amount of skin they cover and they are asking for at least 12 months of study before a new suit si approved. This is not seeking a total ban on all tech suits. I agree with Ande,Geek and Fort... let those of us that like tech suits spend our money on them that want too. If you or this or that person doesn't want to use them or believe in them, fine, but stop trying to push your beliefs about swimming on others. I read that link and the comments. The first comment, as per usual, was "morals vs. gold." Groan. Another bemoaned the damage to the sport and the erasing of old glorious hard-earned times. Sigh. Why is it some have so much trouble with advancement? Does anyone think FINA will adopt USA Swimming's proposed below the knee ban? Seems ridiculous to me, as suits to the ankle have been standard since Sydney. And why exactly would USMS have to follow this rule? We're old, for god's sake. Can't we decide what we want to wear? If FINA did somehow adopt the USA proposed below the knee ban, would USMS have to follow suit? Or could there be a different rule for FINA and USMS masters?