Ban the tech suits?

I am just back from the SPMA meet where all the top finisher were wearing the latest generation tech suits,mostly B-70s(or were named Jeff Commings.)I have here to for been in favor of the suits,but now I am not so sure.First,they eliminate the old bench marks.I went my fastest 100m BR in 5 yr in my LZR,but it was only .3 sec faster than I did untapered 5 wk earlier in my first swim in the LZR.So was my swim good or not,I'm not sure.Also,instead of focusing on technique or pace I found myself ruminating over aspects of the suits,how many more swims did the suit have,is it the right size,was the reason I didn't get better results from my B-70 because it was too big?etc.The B-70 has somewhat mitigated the "too expensive,not durable" problem,but for how long. Lets say a company comes up with a suit that is much faster,say 4 sec/100.Further that it is very expensive(say $1000) lasts 4 swims and is very hard to make so that quantities are always limited and the fastest way to get one is to bid up to $3000 on ebay. Now lets say your nemesis has one,or that getting one is your best chance to get TT or AA or a ZR or WR,or that your child is close to making JO cuts,or finally beating his/her nemesis etc. Is it worth it and where does it stop?
  • NCAA decides to ban double tech-suits. Including briefs worn underneath the tech suit (the latter decision is ridiculous IMO). www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/.../19828.asp "Scenario 3: Swimmer A, who has already qualified with an A-Standard time for the 200 freestyle, gets up on the block to swim that event wearing a lycra bathing suit with an old, torn, nylon tank suit over it. Ruling: Unless the swimmer removes the outer "drag" suit prior to the event, and swims with only one suit, their performance would be disqualified in that event." :rofl:
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    If I were at the helm in Adidas, I would be picking the phone up to FINA and telling them: sort this out, act fast or we are gone. To which FINA should reply, "Why don't you just make a better suit?"
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    lol. Hadn't thought of the porn problem. :afraid: And we know how Stud feels about that ... What do I feel about it. If any female needs my help getting into a B70 I will gladly suffer the visual affront of the locker room. :D I don't get the "can't get the cat back in the bag" stuff, sure you can. You just make it the rules, and ignre the crying. Remember too, that it won't make a difference because "it isn't the suits, it's the person wearing them! Right? So the "suit" records will fall in time... If the cat won't go back in the bag...club it on the head, throw it in a burlap sack, and drop it off a bridge...job done! Solutions may not always be pleasant or make everyone happy, but there are there if you look for them...:2cents:
  • Here's where I stand on the tech suit issue: 1) Disqualify swimmers who wear 2 or more suits Specify in the offical swimming rules that wearing more than one suit in a race results in disqualification. Enforce it at meets. Unfortunately this will probably mean no training suit under a tech suit, though I don't have a problem with swimmers wearing a brief. It might be reasonable to allow this for modesty reasons as well. In super elite meets when swimmers place high or break records, two officials should follow the swimmer to the locker room where the swimmer strips and submits their suit for inspection and approval. (Drug testing officials show up unannounced and are required to observe athletes produce a specimen for drug testing, suit testing seems reasonable) 2) Require Suit limitations in summer league meets, age group meets (12 or 14 and under) and high school meets Let's keep swimming affordable for parents and level the playing field for young swimmers or we might lose generations of future swimmers to more affordable sports. Draw the line somewhere reasonable: maybe jammers for boys and traditional suits for girls. The idea is to keep expensive suits out of age group and high school swimming. Make age group swimming about the swimmer not which suit daddy can afford. These are tough economic times, parents shouldn't have to shell out $300, $400 and $500 for fragile suits for growing children. 3) allow tech suits for elite swimmers and masters swimmers allow tech suits when swimmers reach a certain level of excellence. sectionals, junior nationals, nationals & NCAA Require that suits must be on the market for anyone to buy months before competitions, disallow custom made suits allow elite and masters swimmers to wear the following kinds of suits + shoulder to ankle, + shoulder to knee, + leg skins, + jammers, and + traditional suits disallow suits that cover arms allow blue seventy Nero Comps, Speedo LZRs, Tyr Tracer Rise, and similar suits made by other providers 4) Beef up FINAs suit testing and approval process
  • Here's where I stand on the tech suit issue: 1) Disqualify swimmers who wear 2 or more suits 2) Suit limitations in summer league meets, age group meets (12 or 14 and under) and high school meets 3) allow tech suits for elite swimmers and masters swimmers 4) beef up FINAs suit testing and approval process I can get behind this. Now, the big question is, how do we get sanity across the swimming federations globally? Is there a way to get Ande drafted and placed as FINA president?
  • The Morning Swim Show: Discussion on the Future of Swimsuit Technology; USA Swimming Proposal -- December 17, 2008
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    Hi, I wish they would allow for the wearing of a training suit under a tech suit. It is pretty easy to distinguish between the two types and it would greatly ease the crush in the change area, as well as shield eyes from "the horror", not to mention a last minute suit malfunction. So Allow Jammers or a Girls Training Suit. Tom
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    The Morning Swim Show: Discussion on the Future of Swimsuit Technology; USA Swimming Proposal -- December 17, 2008 "... so by limiting the coverage of the the body we limit the damages that can be done with engineering and biometics etcetera. That plus the idea of one suit alone." John Leonard "Nothing was wrong with swimming before, it was fine, it's worse now because something was introduced that shouldn't have been introduced." Craig Lord I agree 100%. Limit the coverage to limit the advantage of the suit, and make all the suits available to the public 12 mo before a meet.
  • I also want to add that if swimmers are permitted to wear full body suits in international competitions like world championships and the olympics, it would be a very bad policy for USA swimming to hold trials for these meets and limit suits the swimmers can wear. Teams need to be selected with swimmers wearing the same suits they'll wear in the big competition.
  • the most obvious and simplist solution is just to go back to the Mark Spitz days in the 1970s when plain old $20 briefs were the standard uniform and the only variables were the individual athlete’s body characteristics. Can we wear goggles? Do we have to grow mustaches? Women too? And what about the music? Do we have to like disco? Personally, the competitive aspects of masters swimming became much, much more fun for me after I wore my first body suit (a borrowed Speedo Aquablade kneeskin.) I don't know about most masters, but these ever evolving suits have allowed me to swim times in my 50s that I am not sure I ever made in my teens and 20s. I don't compare myself to today's phenoms. This would only lead to dispiriting thoughts like: Amaury Leveaux SC 100m free 44.94 Yeah! He beat me by LESS THAN 15 seconds!!! I do compare myself to myself, however, and when old Jim can beat young Jim, there is a certain motivational factor involved, a "Take that, Reaper!" kind of cockiness that seems to me more than worth the cost of a suit. For what it's worth, the suit I most recently swam in costs $56 on the internet--a discontinued Tyr kneeskin. Eventually, today's B70 will be discontinued (or our masters discount will prove significant), and I might enjoy another slight bump in performance. If these suits lead to self-delusion that keeps you competing and feeling self confident, I say what's the problem with that? Think of them as *** implant equivalents for aging male swimmers! Or *** implant over-comers for aging female swimmers with actual *** implants. Plus i really don't want to grow a mustache. It's too cold, and when your exhalations freeze, it looks kind of disgusting.