Ban the tech suits?

I have had a change of heart. The "cabal of friendliness" has made me see the light. Tech suits for everyone and everyone a tech suit. I do propose an improvement. If we could raise the material up a bit, say to just below the nose, it would solve most people's problems.

...place it in my consideration file. The same place a lot of us will put your opinions about tech suits.

Hey Thewookie I just don't get the idea of how using a tech suit for racing in swimming is any kind of athletic achievement anyway. :confused: If all you want to do is just swim for the thrill of racing, the most effective way to increase your speed is to increase your propulsion -and this can be done by simply putting on a set of paddles and flippers. They aren't as gimmicky as an expensive "tech suit", but they definitely make swimming more racey. :blah: If you really want to be in a "racey" sport, then get into NASCAR. But if you want to race in swimming, then just be a good swimmer. :agree: Dolphin 2 You don't race. You have never raced in a meet. You don't understand the mental side of the sport. If you have never been involved in the competitive side of the sport, you can't understand all the things that go into racing. The highs and lows. The athletic achievement comes from the athlete. The type of pool, lane lines, starting blocks, goggles,training done and suit all aid in the athlete getting the achievement. But, you have never done anything in the sport other than thrash around in a lap pool, so you wouldn't know anything about competive swimming and your countless crap proves it too. NASCAR uses technology for drivers,cars, crew chiefs, and pit crews to help them improve their performance. NASCAR has gone through a similar transformation as swimming. The car's have evolved, just like the suits. How they train the drives have evolved, just like swimmers. The materials used in the make-up for the cars have evolved into a more streamlined, lighter, slicker material to help the drivers get the best preformance out of the themselves and the cars. Just like swimsuits. So, you are not only wrong about swimming but auto racing as well. Since you don't compete and haven't competed, why do you care what suits are legal for competition? Or is it you just feel like being a pain in the butt, making uninformed comments to prove ignorance?

You are can always go back to water polo then. I will examine what you wrote and place it in my consideration file.

pot stirring time: two more topics for poll/discussion relating to this subject. 1. at what point do the tech suits become unreasonable? a- $500 suit = (-).5 sec pre 100 yds b- $1,000 suit = (-)1 second per 100 yds c- $5,000 suit = (-) 2 seconds per 100 yards you get the idea. so i would love to hear from the pro suits here. 2. how many folks on this forum in favor of the tech suits are in fact not paying for them? come on.... full disclosure here. Are you assuming FINA approves these suits? I recall this post from another anti-tech suit thread: "I understand that there are "concept" suits (not related to swimming) that have the potential, via some biofeedback mechanism, to postpone or mitigate the effects of fatigue. I also saw another post that mentioned a nano-fabric material that is hydrophobic (much like an article about water lillies in a recent SciAm). My point is that the current generation of swim skin/speed suits are merely a manifestation of technology and that we should expect further performance enhancing developments." Those sound like they could be a tad spendy. I can't see shelling out big bucks for a suit that only lasts a few swims. Apart from gossip, I've only had one masters swimmer tell me that he/she gets free suits. I'm sure the vast majority don't.

what about part 2 of that .......at what point does the tech suit time advantage become unreasonable? 1 sec/100yd? 2 sec/100yd? etc. i don't expect there to be a universal agreement on this but i am curious to know what everyone thinks about this? To me, it's irrelevant. If you want the speed and can afford it, buy it.

Once again, you open your mouth and prove you don't know anything about competive swimming or kids. Yea, the suits aren't easy to get on, no one has argued that point. But every kid that I have coached and swim with at practice, LOVES getting the tech suits. They look forward to the championship meets where their coaches allow them to wear their tech suits. Kids don't view the suits a hassle to race in, the look forward to the meets where they are able to wear them. They love the feeling of diving in with the tech suits on and RACING with them. The tech suits makes things better because the kids love to get them and race in them. Hey Thewookie I just don't get the idea of how using a tech suit for racing in swimming is any kind of athletic achievement anyway. :confused: If all you want to do is just swim for the thrill of racing, the most effective way to increase your speed is to increase your propulsion -and this can be done by simply putting on a set of paddles and flippers. They aren't as gimmicky as an expensive "tech suit", but they definitely make swimming more racey. :blah: If you really want to be in a "racey" sport, then get into NASCAR. But if you want to race in swimming, then just be a good swimmer. :agree: Dolphin 2

What if the manufacturer deems you not worthy of purchasing their suit, and decides to sell or give fastest suit to your competitor? Interesting hypothetical. But that's all it is.

Hey Chaos The point that tech suits become unreasonable is when a person's credit card debt gets so large they go belly up buying them, can't make their rent or mortgage payments or car payments, wind up living on the street, and eating at a soup kitchen. :badday: And most of the middle class is about two months from being in that prediament. Dolphin 2 And yet that is a decision that every individual must make for themselves and not have self-appointed protectors, such as yourself, make for them. Hmm, I would think that a $3000 mortgage payment would be more of a factor. But that's just me. Using that figure I could buy 2 suits a month, pay my mortgage and still have enough left to buy groceries.

pot stirring time: two more topics for poll/discussion relating to this subject. 1. at what point do the tech suits become unreasonable? a- $500 suit = (-).5 sec pre 100 yds b- $1,000 suit = (-)1 second per 100 yds c- $5,000 suit = (-) 2 seconds per 100 yards you get the idea. so i would love to hear from the pro suits here. 2. how many folks on this forum in favor of the tech suits are in fact not paying for them? come on.... full disclosure here. 1- a is about the limit for me this year, it would have been a little more several years ago but then again, I paid only $290 of my B70 2 - I definately pay for mine.