Ques on seed times

I think there are 2 negative views on sandbagging. 1 is the "innefficiency" aspect that was noted, and the other is the judgemental "tsk-tsk" kind of view.

I totally agree. I think it's kind of messed up to intentionally put a time much slower than you know you can swim. I brought up my situation because I don't think it is a good tactic, and I was worried that everyone would think I'm a jerk even though I didn't intentionally do it. I think it's weird that you can put whatever seed time you want, since I'm pretty sure for USA Swimming meets (at least the nationals), your time has to be one you made in a meet that is under the time standards and be able to prove that time.

Great, NOW I have to watch out that Fort doesn't bribe the meet director to "lose" her entry at the Sprint Classic in the 50 fly, giving her clear water and a better chance at winning a beer or three. Who has to resort to bribes? The meet director is my relay mate! Muhahaha!

Great, NOW I have to watch out that Fort doesn't bribe the meet director to "lose" her entry at the Sprint Classic in the 50 fly, giving her clear water and a better chance at winning a beer or three. She does that and I may just acidentally slip and fall in her lane at the turn.

I'm not sure how sandbagging is cheating unless you are using epo and pulling on the lane line at the same time. Masters is different than age-group swimming. You cannot expect to improve every time you drop in the water (in fact my improvement stopped 20 years ago). I put 1-2 seconds slower on a 200 because I feel I'm going to be a little slower every year. I guess I should just put my college times down each time and when I add 12-15 secs, I can make myself feel like a crappy, old swimmer --but at least I won't be accused of...oh the horror...sandbagger:drown:. Kurt, Putting a 200 time 1-2 sec slower than a PB is fine. What I'm talking about is a consistent behavoir of signifcantly slower seed times. Swimming better than expected or worse than expected happens. But there are folks out there that will deliberately seed a 100 time at least 5 seconds slower than thier PB (said PB swam very recently) just to get clear water. Well, what about the person who was honest with thier seed but gets to eat that person's wake?

Over here our sign-ups are done via a time database system, so they take the fastest times you have registered. But coaches can go in and "fake" times if you don't have one. Like for example I am going to swim the 1500m in 6 weeks, I have no time, but qualified in the 400m, so I can swim the 1500 too. BUT NT are not allowed. so he will fake a time that I am guessing. I hope that I can swim it under 19:00, but at practice I have yet to swim one under 19:45 so that will be my seed time.

At my meet last weekend, the meet director lost my 50 fly entry (I was seeded at the exact time I did at the beginning of the season last year), and I had to swim in an NT heat. Not my choice, but it's not the end of the world. Great, NOW I have to watch out that Fort doesn't bribe the meet director to "lose" her entry at the Sprint Classic in the 50 fly, giving her clear water and a better chance at winning a beer or three.