From what i have heard, from several credible sources, someone on the us women's team tested positive. As of now only the persons family, roommate, and usa swimming know, but im sure it will begin to leak out. Nothing matters though until we get results of the B test.. which could be a few days or even weeks. Not sure when the test was taken, but probably trials. I will try to post more information when I get it, but if anyone could confirm or post what they know, im sure it would be appreciated
OK, that's fne, sorry. I saw the word addict three times in your post and I jumped the shark.
Easy there, no shark jumping. This thread has staying power, no need to throw in a 'jump the shark' episode!
For all those speculating on who will take her place, the answer is no one.
Hardy's name was submitted on the list of athletes in the US delegation; the deadline to make any changes was July 21... this past Monday. (another article)
We'll have only one entry in the 50 free and 100 ***
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I didn't realize she was an addict. She is possibly a cheater and a liar but I haven't read where she has a PED addiction. This thread is comical - bad decisions, sad, now allegations of addiction. Wouldn't it just be easier to say she is a fraud and a cheater?
I don't buy "addict" either. That label seems to fall into the trying to excuse her behavior category. She looks like an angel, but she is more likely a fraud and a cheater. Ugly words, but still applicable. Maybe there's a shrink who will explain why that's a new legal defense.
That sucks for Kirk and Jackson, who apparently trained their brains out legally for their shot.
Saw this on FB, www.youtube.com/watch
I think one of the most interesting aspects is that she tested positive on the 4th and negative on the 6th. That implies that it is very possible to use these types of drugs without having any positive test results, random out of competition testing being the only obstacle.
A Negative test doesn't necessarily mean that no traces of the substance were found. It's possible that in the other two tests the amount was just below the "allowable" threshold and the positive was just above. Hopefully more specifics about the tests from the labs will be released.
I don't buy "addict" either. That label seems to fall into the trying to excuse her behavior category. She looks like an angel, but she is more likely a fraud and a cheater. Ugly words, but still applicable. Maybe there's a shrink who will explain why that's a new legal defense.
Again, I did not call her an addict and I did not attempt to excuse her behavior. I simply said that the thrill of winning an Olympic gold medal could easily cause somebody to lose touch with the reality that what they are doing is cheating and compared that thrill with getting high.
Again, I did not call her an addict and I did not attempt to excuse her behavior. I simply said that the thrill of winning an Olympic gold medal could easily cause somebody to lose touch with the reality that what they are doing is cheating.
I know you were just using the analogy. Still, how can you be in denial when you're ingesting drugs you know are banned? Drug use takes some planning, procurement and execution -- unless she was literally being force fed unnamed vitamins. I can see cheaters being in denial of the consequences, since so many go uncaught. And I can sorta see how they attempt to rationalize their drug use -- perhaps by thinking so many others do it. But how can they not realize they're taking banned substances?! Nope, can't see that. These are elite athletes that know what they're doing and know what they shouldn't do.
I know you were just using the analogy. Still, how can you be in denial when you're ingesting drugs? Drug use takes some planning, procurement and execution -- unless she was literally being force fed unnamed vitamins. I can see cheaters can be in denial of the consequences, since so many go uncaught. And I can see how they attempt to rationalize their drug use -- so many do it. But how can they not realize they're taking banned substances? Nope, can't see that.
I agree with you about not realizing. If she was taking this drug to get stronger, then absolutely, she was knowingly cheating. I should have been more clear when I said that I could see how she rationalized it. I shouldn't have said she might not think she was cheating, but perhaps the thought of that feeling of winning an Olympic gold triggered something in her mind to convince herself that cheating was worth the risk. At a certain point, there ceases to be any conscious thought of whether or not what you're doing is right.
Someone made the comment that it was sad and Geek said it wasn't. I was simply saying that her situation might be similar to a drug addiction. I can think of a number of extremely talented people who throw careers away because of drug addiction and it's sad. They don't deserve sympathy...they deserve every consequence of their actions. But it's still sad.
Muppet, are you sure they cannot replace her with members of the team? I know for gymnastics (different sport, but I'd imagine the same rules) they had to name their team and alternates by the 21st but can sub in an alternate up to 24 hours in advance. I would think that nearly 3 weeks out would be a bit early to assume no one would get injured or sick and not allow for a substitution. They don't name the relay teams until the last minute.
