Show me the money.......the proof....even an inkling of a shred of proof that what you say is true!!!! Actually, at least for now....all evidence points in the opposite direction.....so put that in with whatever you are smoking! LOL
So ironic you use a drug reference to support your side of the argument that she is clean.
Failure to see the electronic timing board is nearsightedness, not age.)
My thoughts too when I heard this. Age sight is not being able to read the lettering on that touchpad right in front of you!
tjburk,
With your philosophy on the games, there would only be 3-4 viable participants entered in each event.
This... It doesn't matter that I scratch because I wasn't going to medal anyway and it'll make me too tired response is disappointing.
She's the number one female sprinter in the country and she's not swimming the 100 free for the US because it'll get her too tired and risk the rest of her meet. The whole thing sounds strange to me.
She could coast the prelims at the Games and still make the semis in this event no problem.
John Smith
Natalie went a 53.39 early this year and is the fastest American swimmer out there in the 100 by alomst a half second....Dara just happened to swim faster than her that day.
How is it disappointing.....are you telling me that in your career...you've never scratched an event to focus on another one? I find that very hard to believe! I know I have.....and I would bet a lot of people have. I know Phelps dropped the 400 Free to focus on the 400 IM....was he wrong for doing that?
And the comment about the "It doesn't matter" garbage doesn't fly.....like I said earlier....if this was a points meet.....I'd expect her to swim everything that she could score points in. But, this is the Olympics, and at the end of the day the only 3 places that matter are 1, 2 and 3.....Gold, Silver and Bronze....
I thought that Christine Brennan from USAToday knew her facts unlike other mainstream sports writers when she was talking about Torres on Espn's PTI. I have to say that the guest hosts are better at covering swimming than the regular hosts. They seem brush off Phelps. I am psyched about all her mainstream coverage. But, Larry king or O'Reilly should have a segment on her instead of the ARod Brinkley coverage.
Data and Comparative data never lie.
To equate what Torres is doing to a male would be for the 40-44 year old Master's WR holder (53.5) in the 100 freestyle, Rich Saeger, (1984 Olympian and Gold medalist) to swim a 49+ 100 meter freestyle. I believe he would confirm-no way.
Her first three Olympics she swam relays. She swam individual events in 2000, took 6 years off, had a child, and 2 surgeries in the past 10 months but is the fastest American women ever- you believers are simply "off the reservation" as it is performance enhanced.
Her 50 freestyle would equate to Rowdy Gaines coming back and going slightly slower than what Garrett Weber-Gale went- 21.7-21.8 in his 40s. It is absurd. She went 26.6 and then 25.9 leading off a relay in August 2006 and has now dropped 1.7 seconds in approximately 22 months, of which she had the two surgeries. I guess she had a lot of stretching/mashing/amino acids/nutrition then! So, if a male qualified for the trials at 23.4 and then dropped 1.7 seconds to go 21.7 in 22 months, PEDS would be suggested. Ben Wildman-Tobiner had pectoral surgery and with the new LZR swim suit, basically went his same 50 time as the year before when he was the world champion. Gary Hall at 33 could not eaqual his PR! Dara obliterates her PR and people want to believe it is real. The spread in the male to female 50 free WR is 2.7 seconds. In Men's Masters Dara is .1 slower than the AR held by Dave Boatwright. For now.......
Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Darra Torres.
WB
Data and Comparative data never lie.
To equate what Torres is doing to a male would be for the 40-44 year old Master's WR holder (53.5) in the 100 freestyle, Rich Saeger, (1984 Olympian and Gold medalist) to swim a 49+ 100 meter freestyle. I believe he would confirm-no way.
Her first three Olympics she swam relays. She swam individual events in 2000, took 6 years off, had a child, and 2 surgeries in the past 10 months but is the fastest American women ever- you believers are simply "off the reservation" as it is performance enhanced.
Her 50 freestyle would equate to Rowdy Gaines coming back and going slightly slower than what Garrett Weber-Gale went- 21.7-21.8 in his 40s. It is absurd. She went 26.6 and then 25.9 leading off a relay in August 2006 and has now dropped 1.7 seconds in approximately 22 months, of which she had the two surgeries. I guess she had a lot of stretching/mashing/amino acids/nutrition then! So, if a male qualified for the trials at 23.4 and then dropped 1.7 seconds to go 21.7 in 22 months, PEDS would be suggested. Ben Wildman-Tobiner had pectoral surgery and with the new LZR swim suit, basically went his same 50 time as the year before when he was the world champion. Gary Hall at 33 could not eaqual his PR! Dara obliterates her PR and people want to believe it is real. The spread in the male to female 50 free WR is 2.7 seconds. In Men's Masters Dara is .1 slower than the AR held by Dave Boatwright. For now.......
Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Darra Torres.
WB
Show me the money.......the proof....even an inkling of a shred of proof that what you say is true!!!! Actually, at least for now....all evidence points in the opposite direction.....so put that in with whatever you are smoking! LOL
Data and Comparative data never lie.
To equate what Torres is doing to a male would be for the 40-44 year old Master's WR holder (53.5) in the 100 freestyle, Rich Saeger, (1984 Olympian and Gold medalist) to swim a 49+ 100 meter freestyle. I believe he would confirm-no way.
Her first three Olympics she swam relays. She swam individual events in 2000, took 6 years off, had a child, and 2 surgeries in the past 10 months but is the fastest American women ever- you believers are simply "off the reservation" as it is performance enhanced.
Her 50 freestyle would equate to Rowdy Gaines coming back and going slightly slower than what Garrett Weber-Gale went- 21.7-21.8 in his 40s. It is absurd. She went 26.6 and then 25.9 leading off a relay in August 2006 and has now dropped 1.7 seconds in approximately 22 months, of which she had the two surgeries. I guess she had a lot of stretching/mashing/amino acids/nutrition then! So, if a male qualified for the trials at 23.4 and then dropped 1.7 seconds to go 21.7 in 22 months, PEDS would be suggested. Ben Wildman-Tobiner had pectoral surgery and with the new LZR swim suit, basically went his same 50 time as the year before when he was the world champion. Gary Hall at 33 could not eaqual his PR! Dara obliterates her PR and people want to believe it is real. The spread in the male to female 50 free WR is 2.7 seconds. In Men's Masters Dara is .1 slower than the AR held by Dave Boatwright. For now.......
Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Darra Torres.
WB
Well there is really nothing left to discuss then, is there? :dunno:
Kirk - you are right. I wrote that several people 'claimed' we are without a suitable representative in the 100, and this was really my inference from the discussions - a statement that we might not have a medal contender, that we will be without the number one seed from the U.S., and the idea that her actions were 'selfish.' If folks posting here aren't concerned that the U.S. will miss its best shot at a medal in this event, then why is her decision an issue?
Some of those girls looked pretty disgusted when they looked up at the results of their 100 finals. Maybe this is their chance to quit their bitching - vocal and facial expression - and let their swimming do the talking. This is a great chance for someone else to step up and become a "suitable" representative for the US.
But in the grand scheme of things, who cares if we don't have a medal contender in this event? There are enough other events where we'll have a nice haul.
So, Masters swimming is not "real" swimming? Interesting perspective....I think most around here would probably disagree with that.
It's real, but it ain't the Olympics. There's a big difference between ditching an event at a masters meet and ditching one at the Olympics.
I think this has already been mentioned, but if she had no intention of swimming the 100 in the Olympics why didn't she opt to swim a fast enough time in prelims or semis to get her on the relay (a la Phelps and Lochte)? I have to think it has to do with her competitiveness. She had to prove she could win that event. You can decide for yourself whether this is selfish or not.
