Drugs in sports

There are so many side discussions going on that I wanted to throw a thread up and see if it could be a place to discuss this in more detail...and have a place to refer back to. With all the debate about Dara how does anyone here feel about Bernard Lagat becoming a US citizen and now running for us in Beijing after testing positive for EPO in 2003 and being banned from the World Championships in Paris (see below)? How does anyone feel about Amy Van Dyken being inducted into the USOC Hall of Fame ahead of Mary T...but no one has seen the sealed testimony from her in the Balco investigation? Danish study questions validity of testing for performance-enhancer EPO www.newser.com/.../D91HSFKG0.html Study Shows Problems With Olympic-Style Tests www.nytimes.com/.../26doping.html Here is a fascinating article from Outside magazine in 2003: outside.away.com/.../200311_drug_test_1.html Drug Test Great Moments (in Cheater History) By Ki Bassett "1904 Trainers give exhausted American runner Thomas Hicks a mixture of brandy and strychnine to keep him going during the 24-mile Olympic road race. He wins, but subsequently collapses just past the finish line. 1952 At the Winter Olympics in Oslo, Norway, several speed skaters become ill from amphetamines. 1960 After taking amphetamines, Danish cyclist Knut Jensen crashes during a Rome Olympics road race, fractures his skull, and dies. 1967 British cyclist Tommy Simpson dies near the summit of Mont Ventoux, on Stage 13 of the Tour de France. He had allegedly taken amphetamines and chased the stimulants with brandy. 1968 The International Olympic Committee establishes mandatory drug testing at the Mexico City Olympic Games. 1972 Dr. Bjorn Ekblöm of Stockholm's Institute of Gymnastics and Sports invents "blood packing," which involves removing blood, increasing the concentration of red blood cells in a centrifuge, and restoring it through transfusion. 1976 East German swimmers are deceived into taking anabolic steroids by their coaches and trainers. They win 11 out of 13 swim events at the Montreal Summer Olympics that year. 1983 Seventeen athletes, including two from the United States, test positive for anabolic steroids at the Pan American Games in Caracas, Venezuela, and are disqualified. Eleven others leave the games in protest. 1987 EPO emerges as a doping agent, and over the next three years, 17 Dutch and Belgian professional cyclists die after injecting it. 1988 After winning the 100 meters at the Seoul Olympics, Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson is stripped of his gold medal after testing positive for the steroid Stanozolol. 1996 Irish swimmer Michelle Smith medals four times in Atlanta. Two years later, FINA, the governing body of international swimming, finds her guilty of manipulating a urine sample for an out-of-competition test. Smith is banned from competition for four years and misses the 2000 Sydney Olympics. 1998 Four days before the Tour de France, Willy Voet, a masseur for the Festina cycling team, is caught with 400 vials of performance-enhancing drugs. The team is asked to leave the Tour. 1998 In August, shortly before breaking Roger Maris's record of 61 home runs in a season, St. Louis Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire acknowledges that he has been using androstenedione, an androgenic steroid, for more than a year. 1998 U.S. runner Florence Griffith-Joyner, a three-time gold medalist, dies in her sleep from a heart seizure at 38. It is widely suspected that she used human growth hormone to increase her strength. 2003 Bernard Lagat of Kenya, a bronze medalist at the Sydney Summer Games, tests positive for EPO and is banned from the World Track and Field Championships in Paris. He had planned to run the 1,500 meters." From Outside Magazine
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    I am not an AVD defender...but it is easy to see why the USOC would induct her in their hall of fame over Mary T. Meagher. AVD has 6 golds over two Olympics vs. 3 golds/1 bronze for MTM over two Olympics. Since AVD has not been judged officially a PED user I suppose the USOC feels they can't deny her awards based only on suspicions. There is no question Meagher was a better and more impactful swimmer. Her performances and records have stood far longer and she is respected by everyone.
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    I dunno about the rest of you but the guy who won the 100m hurdles...take one look at them delts...hmmmm, I say...hmmmm
  • I am curious what effect, if any, the time drops at US Trials have had on people's feelings about the time drops earlier in the year in Europe and Australia. Time drops? If anything, I was slightly disappointed by the times of (most of) the event winners in Omaha. Good swims certainly, but I was not blown away like some of the results in the sprint freestyles earlier this year. Heck, we have a 41-year-old as the best woman sprinter in the US.
  • Interesting story in the NY Times about Dara Torres and an amino acid recovery product: olympics.blogs.nytimes.com/.../ I wonder what combination (and amount) of amino acids are in Warnecke's product. Would it work for other geezers?
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    Well, the highest profile drops earlier were the men's 50 and 100 free, and Jason Lezak dropped from 48.55 at Worlds to 47.68 at Trials, with two others joining him below 48 for the first time. Two swimmers went under Popov's old record and another was within 0.01.
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    Lindsay is that a major drop, I don't think so. A dive, a turn, a little bit better streamline. A better breakout from the turn and dive. Better foot position when diving. A small change in technique. All of these things add up to faster times. Much faster times and if there is any truth in better swim wear supposedly 2 percent less drag. And all without drugs.
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    I am curious what effect, if any, the time drops at US Trials have had on people's feelings about the time drops earlier in the year in Europe and Australia. Do people think that doping started there and has spread here? Or does this indicate the suits may be more important than they were given credit for back then? Or was it just Olympic year effect that didn't get to the states until Trials? I believe Jason Lezak made a comment that a few months ago he didn't believe he could go under 48 but he did it at trials, along with a few others.
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    I know one thing that Paul Smth's new swim hi tech suit should have him equal some world records.
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    I know one thing that Paul Smth's new swim hi tech suit should have him equal some world records. They are pretty much his records anyway, so all he would be doing is going his best times.