I've been giggling about this all morning! Many of the young swimmers from my pool are attending the BYU swim camps starting this week. One of the young guys who always wears brief (racer) style swim suits told me that he isn't allowed to where them at the camp. I pulled up the info on the camp and the info packet does say "no Speedos or bikini briefs are allowed for male participants". I'm sorry, but jammers are no less revealing than briefs! If anything they are more so - in my opinion. I can understand a modest dress code at BYU, but swimmers are so use to seeing each other in these types of suits. I would love to know the thinking behind this dress code? :lmao:
Former Member
It's not clear you've tried swimming either. Not sure taking swimming in PE qualifies you to say anything on the issue. How can anyone take your extreme pronouncements even remotely seriously if you don't even swim competitively and haven't even tried race in a tech suit? :shakeshead: :rolleyes: :dunno: I don't tell noodlers what kind of equipment to use ...
Hey Fortress
Just for your clarification, my PE teacher was also the coach for the Hollywood High School’s varsity swim team in 1969. He often commented about how I had an affection for being in the water and thought that I and a few others in the class were very good candidates for the team and we should at least try it out.
However, my family was near the bottom of the socio-economic ladder in Los Angeles and I had absolutely no interest in becoming an athlete or even continuing with high school either. So I finally dropped out in the 11Th grade to take a job with an elevator contractor -which is part of my trade & profession to this day.
Reflecting back on my HS swimming experiences, my PE teacher/coach and I became very good friends and he was rather fascinated with my personal introspection of how I had adapted to the water. Today, I often regret that I was not able to remain in school and take up his offer to help me become a competitive swimmer (and even possibly become a commercial scuba diver instead of an elevator contractor!!!). :(
When it comes to swimming (or any other athletic activity), everyone is "Qualified" on what is right for their own body (and mind).
The choice in suits is a very personal thing and although tech suits may be right for some, I am in fact "Qualified" from over 50 years of experience with purely recreational aquatics (such as lap swimming, open water, scuba & exploration diving, and some other pretty scary underwater stuff) to know they would definitely NOT be right for me at all. :2cents:
California Dolphin
Big whoop. My son has a natural feel for the water, but currently isn't a competitive swimmer. He would never tell me what suit I should wear at masters meets.
You certainly can decide what is right for YOU, but last time I checked you were lecturing competitive masters swimmers and attempting to ban our suits. Utterly unqualified to do that. :2cents:
Hey Fortress
I (and others) are not lecturing competitive masters swimmers about what suits they should (or should not) be wearing. :whiteflag:
The main issue with their/my criticism seems to be how mechanized the sport has become and there is a serious issue about whether (or not) the achievements (the repeatedly broken WRs) made while using them should be considered legitimate. :dunno:
However, personally I am quite amused with the craze that tech suits have created and the extremes people will go to (like blowing a ¼ of their weekly paycheck) to get their hands on one. In fact, everytime I read another post about tech suits on the USMS board, I can feel the horns growing out of the top of my head as I fire off another barrage of snide comments about Speedo, Tyr, Nike, etc!!! :joker:
In perspective, the tech suit craze is something that will probably go down in history with the Dot Com bust, the (now past) demand for SUVs, or the sub prime fiasco. :violin:
Sooner or later, the tech suit thing is going to fall apart like a bag of wet garbage and when the history book is finally written, the only real winners will be the suit makers who've made a ton of $$$ off the whole mess. :joker:
Dolphin 2
Hey Aquageek
I haven’t tried mud wrestling either, however I don’t need to actually do it to know what it would be like: :eek:
www.flickr.com/.../
Incidentally, if I had a choice between swimming in an LZR VS mud wrestling I don't know which would be worse, so I’d have to flip a coin. :dunno:
Heads - it's the LZR. Tails -it's the mud. :lmao:
Dolphin 2
OK, but howzabout "Coed" mud wrestling? (No body suits; just briefs).
It's not clear you've tried swimming either. ................. :shakeshead: :rolleyes: :dunno: I don't tell noodlers what kind of equipment to use ...
Fort
Please tell us that Speedo or TYR are NOT coming up with LZR or (whatever) noodles.
Please cite your sources on the money speedo gave FINA. I don't want to hear another story out of you about how you just know, like how you just know about swimming despite not being a swimmer. Name the source, quote the figure.
And, it's pretty much fitting that you use a toilet manufacturer in Japan to speak to swim suits. At least we know the crapper is your frame of reference.
Using your logic, powered flight wasn't a technological advance since Da Vinci envisioned it hundreds of years ago. So, just to clarify your argument, using state of the art technology to produce a state of the art product is not a technological advance?
However, if there is a new development that can enable someone with a Bob or Barbra Beerbelly physique to swim faster, then I am certain that most people would humorously refer to it as a form of "technology".
I wasn't aware we had any Bob or Barbara Beerbellies pouring their huge guts into expensive fastskins on this forum. I thought we were swimmers looking to improve.
And perhaps you should look up "logic" in the dictionary. I don't see any of that in your posts. Just nasty and misplaced judgment.
The main issue with their/my criticism seems to be how mechanized the sport has become and there is a serious issue about whether (or not) the achievements (the repeatedly broken WRs) made while using them should be considered legitimate. :dunno:
In what defintion of the word 'Mechanical' are you using this word?
Pertaining to, governed by, or in accordance with,
mechanics, or the laws of motion; pertaining to the
quantitative relations of force and matter, as
distinguished from mental, vital, chemical, etc.; as,
mechanical principles; a mechanical theory; mechanical
deposits.
2. Of or pertaining to a machine or to machinery or tools;
made or formed by a machine or with tools; as, mechanical
precision; mechanical products.
We have also divers mechanical arts. --Bacon.
3. Done as if by a machine; uninfluenced by will or emotion;
proceeding automatically, or by habit, without special
intention or reflection; as, mechanical singing;
mechanical verses; mechanical service.
4. Made and operated by interaction of forces without a
directing intelligence; as, a mechanical universe.
5. Obtained by trial, by measurements, etc.; approximate;
empirical. See the 2d Note under Geometric.
I'm sorry, but none of those definitions apply to a swim suit. Unless you are referring to a diving suit, such as this one?
en.wikipedia.org/.../Atmospheric_diving_suit
But I have yet to see that worn in a swimming competition.
I am continually amazed at your prolific use of glittering generalities and vauge sweeping statements. You definately have a skill.
And to repeat what others have asked. What's it to you? You don't compete, so you are not being 'cheated' by others who choose to wear tech suits, you're not being harmed economically (unless there is a hidden link between swim suits and elevators that I don't see) or some rich kid wearing a tech suit has beaten one of your children out for a scholarship, resources that are vital to the human race are not being diverted to swim suit R&D and manufacture. So again, WHAT'S THE BIG FREAKIN DEAL???
Ohhhhhhhhhhh, I think I get it now. You just love to argue endlessly about things that do not directly affect you.
You're a Troll. Plain and simple.
It's now much clearer.
Paul (Owner of a $58.00 Speedo Fast Skin 1 bought from Ebay)
This seemingly endless recent streak of JH and I agreeing needs to stop. Bad enough when I went over to the dark side and joined Fort, but this is too much.
This seemingly endless recent streak of JH and I agreeing needs to stop. Bad enough when I went over to the dark side and joined Fort, but this is too much.
How do you think I feel? Agreeing with Geek? I need Brain Floss(tm)
...and another opportunity for me to make a big stink!!!
Let's hope it's something you are actually qualified to speak on but since this is a swimming forum and you don't actually swim, that's unlikely.
Are you even a USMS member?
I notice how you have avoided giving your facts and figures on FINA. You planning on doing that or just putting it out there without any support, as usual?
