Can anyone answer this? Maybe someone from the Austin meet?
First question:
What is the story on relay and individual splits? I tried to get my splits to count from a backstroke leadoff on the mixed medley, and the 50 free off my 100 free event. Both were legal finishes and appear in the final results.
When I tried to fill out a split form, everyone from the volunteer handing me the form, to the 3 officials at my race end told me I didn't need it and all the splits, particularly the free events, would be "uploaded automatically". This seems to be true in the case of records, but I am interested in a "real" time for my 50's and simply have my 50 times "official".
Second question:
Did I totally miss the boat? Here is a cut & paste from the meet information about our times to count for USA SWIMS database:
"TIME VERIFICATION (FORMERLY OVCs)
Swimmers needing verification of time(s) or wish their times to be entered into the USA Swimming SWIMS Database (for entry into USA-S national meets) should complete a form at the meet and prior to the swim. Contact the Administrative Referee at the meet."
Is it really, really too late for this? I already have Sectional cuts for TX Senior Circuit, but both my indiv & 50 split on the 100 made the automatic cut. It would be really, really nice to have the times count, that so I can enter TSC #3 and do all the 4 x 50's with the "1 automatic cut = any event under 200" rule.
I emailed Ann Nellis (I think) at meet.admin@austin.utexas.edu but no reply back yet.
Anyone know if there is anything I can still do to get those times to count?
But unless that's the rule applied at all meets, I'm certainly not in favor of it.
My take is that it's nice to have the splits be 'automatic,' but you shouldn't assume they are. If you think you might set a record, get a top ten time, etc. you should always inquire at the clerk of course table whether or not you need to submit an actual split request. They probably get sick of answering the same question over and over, but oh well.
Jim,
I filled out a split verification form for my first 500 of my 1000 - it was a very fast 500 for me. They also tried to talk me out of completing the form. I would love to have that split show up in the meet results. Please let us know if this can be resolved.
BTW - it was great visiting with you last weekend!
Robin
This is awesome news! What a bonus for leading off on SMU's "C" medley relay. It all started with "Michelle, can you swim backstroke?" And I juuuust might make top ten in the 50 back....it'll be close!!
Don't want to press my luck...but here goes....never hurts to ask....what's the story on Austin National times & splits for USA-S SWIMS? I emailed Ann Nellis back with my USA number; is anything else required? My 50 free split from the 100 is not reflected in SWIMS as of today.
Heard anything about the posting of splits, either for the meet results or top ten?
The first time I heard of Walt's tool to extract all splits that don't need referee confirmation for top ten consideration was in the pre-meet meeting at Austin. We were told there that split requests weren't required, and that was news to me as well as to others. If I hear any more details, I'll post here.
Jim is correct. Your splits, including relay lead-off splits, will automatically be submitted for USMS Top 10. Those splits count as official times and you can view your split times on the meet results. As one of you noted, that also happened at the Federal Way meet.
Three things have to be in place for splits from nationals to be automatically recorded as official times for USMS purposes:
1. the technology has to be available to search and record all splits except for splits from individual backstroke events and disqualifications,
2. the officials have to agree to watch all relays for a second swimmer starting in the water, and
3. a written request has to be submitted for all splits for all swimmers from all events except individual backstroke events and disqualifications.
This is within the rules. It is not required for nationals. It is an option. Some meet hosts find it easier to process all the splits rather than a 100 or so. Some officials find it easier to watch all relays for a second swimmer starting in the water than to consciously watch a few specific relays for that. This is a cooperative effort among the meet host, the officials, and the technology/results team, and all must agree or it doesn’t happen.
Kathy Casey, Chair
USMS Rules Committee
