2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming & Diving Championships
psych sheet
www.texassports.com/.../sw_big12_psych.pdf
Results
www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../index.htm
videos
www.flocasts.org/.../coverage.php
Records
www.usaswimming.org/.../Rulebook Records - Feb 18 2008.pdf
WHAT: 2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming and Diving Championships
WHERE: Lee and Joe Jamail Texas Swimming Center – Austin, Texas
WHEN: Wednesday, Feb. 27 through Saturday, March 1 (complete schedule below)
ADMISSION: $5 for adults and $2 for students, per session; all-session passes will be available for $20 for adults and $8 for students; NOTE: There is no admission charge for Wednesday’s events; doors will open and tickets will be available 1 hour prior to the start of each session.
PARKING: www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../
LIVE RESULTS: Click here for live results.
DEFENDING CHAMPIONS: The Texas men have won the previous 11 Big 12 Championship meets and set a new meet record with 1,114 points at the 2007 meet in College Station. The Texas A&M women edged the Texas women, 931-930 at the 2007 meet.
COMPLETE BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULE
Wednesday, Feb. 27
PRELIMINARIES
4:30 PM
One Meter Diving - Men
FINALS
6:00 PM
200 Medley Relay
One Meter Diving - Men
800 Freestyle Relay*
* The 800 free relay will begin 45 minutes after the conclusion of the 200 medley relay
Thursday, Feb. 28
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
500 yard Freestyle
200 yard Individual Medley
50 yard Freestyle
*15 minute break
400 yard Medley Relay
1:00 PM
One Meter Diving - Women
FINALS
6:00 PM
500 yard Freestyle
200 yard Individual Medley
50 yard Freestyle
One Meter Diving - Women
400 yard Medley Relay
Friday, Feb. 29
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
200 yard Freestyle Relay
400 yard Individual Medley
100 yard Butterfly
200 yard Freestyle
100 yard Breaststroke
100 yard Backstroke
11:30 AM
Three Meter Diving - Women
2:15 PM
Three Meter Diving - Men
FINALS
5:00 PM
Three Meter Diving - Women
6:00 PM
200 yard Freestyle Relay
400 yard Individual Medley
100 yard Butterfly
200 yard Freestyle
100 yard Breaststroke
100 yard Backstroke
Three Meter Diving - Men
Saturday, March 1
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
200 yard Backstroke
100 yard Freestyle
200 yard Breaststroke
200 yard Butterfly
*15 minute break
400 yard Freestyle Relay
11:30 AM
Platform Diving - Men
2:30 PM
Platform Diving - Women
FINALS
5:00 PM
Platform Diving - Men
6:00 PM
200 yard Backstroke 100 yard Freestyle
*1650 yard Freestyle 200 yard Breaststroke
200 yard Butterfly Platform Diving - Women
400 yard Freestyle Relay
Former Member
How did a thread about a swim meet (that happened last weekend) become a tirade about Title IX and male/female roles?
BTW, great info Ande.
How did a thread about a swim meet (that happened last weekend) become a tirade about Title IX and male/female roles?
BTW, great info Ande.
I don't know...but it makes for some interesting conversation. :agree:
Geek,
You say you are "personally am elated my kids have the same sporting opportunities that I had growing up in the late 60s and 70s, except football"....
Unfortunately, as the father of one boy and two girls, I am not elated at my son's collegiate scholarship opportunities in the sport of swimming compared to when I went to the Univ. of Texas. When I was there we had 12 scholarships.... now its around 9. There were actually team competitions in the ancient SouthWest Conference..... now there is nothing in the Big 12.
You can not pin this demise of boys secondary sports in college entirely on selfish football budgeting decisions. The timing is too coincidental with the implementation of Title 9. There is only so much money in the pot. Title 9 spread it out broader in womens sports and there is less in secondary men's sports. Title 9 is a good idea.... but there should have been mandatory requirements to have football dip into their budgets to help pay for existing men's secondary sports.
Before Title 9 women were unhappy with athletic dept. budgets and decision....... after Title 9 secondary mens sports are unhappy with athletic dept. budgets and decisions.
Title 9 hasn't really really solved the basic inequity...... its just shifted it.
John Smith
Well, a shift is better than what was and helped correct past discrimination. I like the idea of legislating the decline of men's college football.
All those in favor say aye.....AYE! :wine:
The various regional Fox Sports affiliates are showing this meet over the next few weeks, at odd times. Fox SportsPacific is carrying it on March 6 from 4-6 pm ET. Fox SportsSouth is carrying it Tuesday, March 11 from 3-5 am ET.
The SEC Championship was also taped but I haven't seen it pop up since last Saturday but it's sure to be rerun sometime soon.
Set your DVRs.
Women's Pac-10's are being shown this weekend over one of the affiliates as well.
Your premise is entirely flawed. Some of us don't consider it getting screwed when women get the same sporting opportunties as men. As long as our universities dole out 60+ scholarships for football, the whole Title IX bashing argument is entirely moot.
The Robin Hood angle has been nicely used for many hundreds of years now to justify the exclusion of certain groups for various opportunities. Generally, once modern culture advances past this notion, we are all improved. I don't know many people who would espcially enjoy being referred to as poor and needy and in dire need of saving, other than Stud in his 100 free, but that's another story.
Well, a shift is better than what was and helped correct past discrimination. I like the idea of legislating the decline of men's college football and slashing its budget. Unfortunately, Congress is dominated by men who like and played football. Now, if this inequity were to shift, maybe we'd get somewhere.
I certainly love the hypocrisy here, we want to have equality for everyone, except for people who play football, they don't count.
Additionally, as scy pointed out, it's a fact that more men play sports even at a high school level. Assuming that equal proportions of men and women are "scholarship worthy" in their given sports, doesn't that mean that there are simply more men who deserve scholarships. If this is the case, why should the number of scholarships given out be forced to be essentially equal? Equality is not always fairness.
Isn't the point in going to college....going to school? All extra-curricular activities are just that, in addition to school. With so much bickering going on, it would almost seem best to just drop everything.
The unfair treatment in college sports prepares students for the unfair reality they will face in the real world. Quite a good program actually...however unintentional it may have been.
Geek,
You're dead on in your assertion that football teams budgets are typically negative despite their magnitude for major state schools. However, this "Robin Hood" mentality of spreading the budget to women's sports and denying it has any effect on lessor men's sports is just not realistic. There's only so much money in the pot ..... football and the big three usually hog the majority and Title 9 has served to tip the pot over even further. You can't deny that there is a cumulative affect on mens sports from Title 9. Someone gets screwed in the end. It used to be the women's sports, now its the lessor men's sports. The intentions of Title 9 are noble..... the actual redistribution and results of the fund redistributions are only impressive if you are female.
Question.... why aren't the # scholarships within a given sport equal for men and women? e.g. why would women get more than men in swimming?
John Smith
