2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming & Diving Championships
psych sheet
www.texassports.com/.../sw_big12_psych.pdf
Results
www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../index.htm
videos
www.flocasts.org/.../coverage.php
Records
www.usaswimming.org/.../Rulebook Records - Feb 18 2008.pdf
WHAT: 2008 Big 12 Conference Swimming and Diving Championships
WHERE: Lee and Joe Jamail Texas Swimming Center – Austin, Texas
WHEN: Wednesday, Feb. 27 through Saturday, March 1 (complete schedule below)
ADMISSION: $5 for adults and $2 for students, per session; all-session passes will be available for $20 for adults and $8 for students; NOTE: There is no admission charge for Wednesday’s events; doors will open and tickets will be available 1 hour prior to the start of each session.
PARKING: www.tsc.utexas.edu/.../
LIVE RESULTS: Click here for live results.
DEFENDING CHAMPIONS: The Texas men have won the previous 11 Big 12 Championship meets and set a new meet record with 1,114 points at the 2007 meet in College Station. The Texas A&M women edged the Texas women, 931-930 at the 2007 meet.
COMPLETE BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULE
Wednesday, Feb. 27
PRELIMINARIES
4:30 PM
One Meter Diving - Men
FINALS
6:00 PM
200 Medley Relay
One Meter Diving - Men
800 Freestyle Relay*
* The 800 free relay will begin 45 minutes after the conclusion of the 200 medley relay
Thursday, Feb. 28
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
500 yard Freestyle
200 yard Individual Medley
50 yard Freestyle
*15 minute break
400 yard Medley Relay
1:00 PM
One Meter Diving - Women
FINALS
6:00 PM
500 yard Freestyle
200 yard Individual Medley
50 yard Freestyle
One Meter Diving - Women
400 yard Medley Relay
Friday, Feb. 29
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
200 yard Freestyle Relay
400 yard Individual Medley
100 yard Butterfly
200 yard Freestyle
100 yard Breaststroke
100 yard Backstroke
11:30 AM
Three Meter Diving - Women
2:15 PM
Three Meter Diving - Men
FINALS
5:00 PM
Three Meter Diving - Women
6:00 PM
200 yard Freestyle Relay
400 yard Individual Medley
100 yard Butterfly
200 yard Freestyle
100 yard Breaststroke
100 yard Backstroke
Three Meter Diving - Men
Saturday, March 1
PRELIMINARIES
10:00 AM
200 yard Backstroke
100 yard Freestyle
200 yard Breaststroke
200 yard Butterfly
*15 minute break
400 yard Freestyle Relay
11:30 AM
Platform Diving - Men
2:30 PM
Platform Diving - Women
FINALS
5:00 PM
Platform Diving - Men
6:00 PM
200 yard Backstroke 100 yard Freestyle
*1650 yard Freestyle 200 yard Breaststroke
200 yard Butterfly Platform Diving - Women
400 yard Freestyle Relay
Geek,
You say you are "personally am elated my kids have the same sporting opportunities that I had growing up in the late 60s and 70s, except football"....
Unfortunately, as the father of one boy and two girls, I am not elated at my son's collegiate scholarship opportunities in the sport of swimming compared to when I went to the Univ. of Texas. When I was there we had 12 scholarships.... now its around 9. There were actually team competitions in the ancient SouthWest Conference..... now there is nothing in the Big 12.
You can not pin this demise of boys secondary sports in college entirely on selfish football budgeting decisions. The timing is too coincidental with the implementation of Title 9. There is only so much money in the pot. Title 9 spread it out broader in womens sports and there is less in secondary men's sports. Title 9 is a good idea.... but there should have been mandatory requirements to have football dip into their budgets to help pay for existing men's secondary sports.
Before Title 9 women were unhappy with athletic dept. budgets and decision....... after Title 9 secondary mens sports are unhappy with athletic dept. budgets and decisions.
Title 9 hasn't really really solved the basic inequity...... its just shifted it.
John Smith
Well, a shift is better than what was and helped correct past discrimination. I like the idea of legislating the decline of men's college football and slashing its budget. Unfortunately, Congress is dominated by men who like and played football. Now, if this inequity were to shift, maybe we'd get somewhere.
There were actually team competitions in the ancient SouthWest Conference..... now there is nothing in the Big 12.
What more do you expect from two sub-par sports conferences? Send them to the ACC or SEC, better all around anyway.
What makes it even more laughable is the extreme money the Big Twelve spends on football yet they can't field swimming teams, like, say, the SEC and ACC, the two most competitive athletic sports conferences in the nation. Take it up with your ADs, not a 36 year old program, give me a break.
I like the idea of legislating the decline of men's college football and slashing its budget. Unfortunately, Congress is dominated by men who like and played football. Now, if this inequity were to shift, maybe we'd get somewhere.
Wow. Not that I am defending Big Time College Athletics but if you want to really strike a death blow to college sports in general, killing football would be a great start.
Paul
We temporarily interrupt this philosophical discussion because of a much more pressing issue....
KURT, KURT, KURT, please give us the details of the "missing panties" incident. I have been :lmao: ever since I read that. Why did the woman (I assume it was a woman, but I suppose it could have been a man) visit the ER? Was it because of that, or because of something else? And what did he/she do when you "found" the missing item? Take them home, or deposit them into the trash?
Point of clarification... Kansas State University (Wildcats, school colors purple/white) does not have swim teams, male or female. The University of Kansas (Jayhawks, school colors red/blue) has a women's swim team and used to have a men's team.
I am a Wildcats fan, so I am aware that they have no swim team. When I wrote the post, I was thinking only of their superstar basketball player, who could have easily gone straight to the NBA out of high school. Most of my post really had nothing to do with the discussion of Title IX, but I needed current or very recent examples of basketball players who didn't or probably won't see a sophomore season.
It hasn't been a good few weeks to be a Wildcats fan with losing five of the their last six and all. They will have to win a couple of games in the Big 12 tourney to get to the big dance.
I think I may be finished with this topic since it will, more than likely, go on just like the Dara Torres topic. In addition, we should move the discussion to its own topic so we can quit hijacking the thread.
I certainly love the hypocrisy here, we want to have equality for everyone, except for people who play football, they don't count.
Additionally, as scy pointed out, it's a fact that more men play sports even at a high school level. Assuming that equal proportions of men and women are "scholarship worthy" in their given sports, doesn't that mean that there are simply more men who deserve scholarships. If this is the case, why should the number of scholarships given out be forced to be essentially equal? Equality is not always fairness.
What are you talking about? I said nothing about perfect equality in terms of scholarships in my post aside from addressing past inequity -- which is indisputable. I simply agree with some of the other posters that having fewer men's football scholarships and giving that money to sports like men's swimming, men's cross country and men's crew would be desirable. It would not mean the end of college sports. Is it a crime to have fewer football scholarships? I wouldn't exactly say football players have suffered from inequality. Quite the opposite. I have no idea how giving the "rich" fewer scholarships is hypocritical.
However, just because more men play sports than women in high school currently, doesn't mean this is the way it will be or should be forever. More and more women play sports all the time. So the tide may be turning. Just as it has on college admissions. To say "men like sports" more is just reinforcing gender stereotypes.
It's somewhat interesting that the ones who have been the beneficiaries of all the largesse in the past are the whiniest about having some of it redistributed to women. Sort of like millionaires complaining about taxes.
Unless I'm mistaken doesn't title nine require that there are equal numbers of mens and women's scholarships effectively? If that is the case, how is a college supposed to compensate for the 50 or so scholarships that football needs? If football were taken out of the equation almost every other sport would match up and there would be no issues, but because the scholarships are forced to be equal small mens' programs need to be cut to make up for the difference. My original premise could be wrong though.
This thread is like 'jock itch' as SwimStud so lovingly referred to the Dara Torres thread. Football in no way NEEDS 50 or 60 scholarships. People will play football regardless of whether or not they get a scholarship. I don't have any supporting evidence, but I would guess that not all of those 65 football players NEED a scholarship. Standout high school athletes decide where to go to school based partly on which school offers them the best scholarship. So, the scholarship has evolved from helping a disadvantaged student-athlete pay for tuition, books and board to getting the best athletes to come to your university. I love to watch college football, even though my University of New Mexico Lobos are not very competitive, so I don't want college football to go away. I just think that it is asinine to blame the decline in men's collegiate swimming programs on Title IX. Schools could still field a men's swim team even if they didn't have scholarships to offer. The opportunity to compete at the collegiate level is hard to pass up even if you don't get a scholarship to do it!
Well it all boils down to being women's lib at fault. If chicks has just stuck to knitting and fussing over kittens and bunnies this whole thread would be moot.
The push for equality, harkening back to the right to vote is the undoing of the modern family. There was a time colleges taught girls how to be good housewives and set the table correctly, now they want an education and to play sports.
Add to that women taking men's jobs, mean fewer guys earning enough to support their familes. Which creates a struggle for many families who now are forced to put 2 parents out to work just to get by.
Really we'd be much better off if girls would be girls--title XID or whatever it is wouldn't be an issue. Thank you for your time.
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