Another World Class Swimmer Caught Cheating

I have been a Giants fan since 1976. I have no doubt Bonds is a cheater, and now he will be convicted by a jury for being a liar as well. I'm so proud Barry, thanks! What I would like to see happen... any money made by these athletes during the time of their cheating should have to be repaid (to whom? I don't know- charities, etc.?) For example, whatever endorsements/money M. Jones got during her "glory years" (CHEATER!) she should have to repay. It just doesn't seem enough to take away the medals, the records, etc. because obviously these athletes don't really respect these things (as they are cheating), so hit 'em where it would really hurt, the wallet.

I certainly agree with John about the time-limited advantage of altitude training, besides, there is the well recognized peril of a noticable degradation of posting quality for forum participants who live at altitude. Having moved to Arizona full time I would concur with that observation! By the way...did anyone else see the article about Agnes Kovaks (Olympic gold medalist from Hungary) bolting on an out of competition test and being suspened?

"I understand from a friend who lives in Argentina, Brazillian Olympic Committee and some of its sport foundaitons are very disorganized and corrupt. The members of the Brazillian OC are appointed by politicians as rewards for favors. I'm not real sure how this works though. I htink that not until recently, since the olympics in Greece there were no 50meter pools in South America that were avaiable to atheletes. I guess there are some inhotels & one at the presidents palace in Brazalia." Craig, do not believe anything an Argentinian writes about Brazil and vice-versa. I am posting from an internet cafe so I will not answer about all the stuff above except for the pool question. In a city close by, where I go to some meets, there are two public 50 meter pools and one in a private club. They were built in the 60s I believe. I can assure you that similarly to the U.S. there are plenty of 25 (meter) pools here and less 50 meter ones. Our master's group has about 8 meets a year, with 3 being in LCM. The pool behind the Palacio da Alvorada in Brasilia, our equivalent to the White House, has a 25 meter pool, which you can probably see in the google satellite pictures. Later, billy fanstone The guy in Argentinia is a US citizen who lives there. I remember when the Brazilians first hit my attention, I think around 1996, a show I was watching mentioned that there were so few pools and how that is what is so amazing about the growth in Brazialian swimming.

I believe most cities in the U.S. also don't have 50 meter pools. When do you start swimming in those? At college level, or Olympian level? Not really. If you have a 50 meter pool in the area, I suspect most age groupers typically start doing some long course training quite young. I think I was probably around 12 or so when I started doing some long course training in the summer. I also wouldn't really say "most cities in the U.S. don't have 50 meter pools." It's really highly dependent on the part of the country you live, but virtually any decent sized city in the U.S. typically has at least one 50 meter pool.

"The guy in Argentinia is a US citizen who lives there. I remember when the Brazilians first hit my attention, I think around 1996, a show I was watching mentioned that there were so few pools and how that is what is so amazing about the growth in Brazialian swimming." He has been brainwashed by living there, probably thinks Maradona is better than Pelé....hehehe...The difference in number of pools in Brazil versus the U.S. is enormous, not even worth comparing. There are no swimming programs in high school, nor are there any swimming pools (there are exceptions, few) at the universities. What called my attention in your post was not that you mentioned few pools, but you mentioned few 50 meter pools. I believe most cities in the U.S. also don't have 50 meter pools. When do you start swimming in those? At college level, or Olympian level? Same here. Most pools are in private clubs or in paid for health clubs, always (with some exceptions) 25 meters. That is why our depth of athletes is so poor. In contrast, our depth for soccer is huge as there are soccer fields all over the place. I learned to swim at a lake at age 4, and the first 25 meter swimming pool was built at a club in my city in 1962, when I was already 13 years old. You know, Buenos Aires has more tennis courts than the whole of Brazil. Mostly a cultural matter. I am lucky to have a heated pool about 5 minutes walk from home for about 50 dollars a month, including coaching on three days a week, and free swimming whenever I feel like it. But I live in the woods, in big cities like São Paulo you would pay four times that for a private swimming pool. The girl who started this thread, the Gusmão girl, is not only guilty of testosterone but might be guilty of tampering....her urine was found to contain DNAs from other people. billy fanstone

I give up. I was thinking of the Mississippi Delta, probably not many pools there, or maybe the Arizona desert, and Chattanooga, when I went to school there, there was one at the University. Those are the places I have been to or lived, not the whole U.S. Same here, we have three 50 meter pools in a bigger city close by, but not in my small (in the woods) city. I don't know nothing about swimming pools, or about double negatives either...billy fanstone

Having moved to Arizona full time I would concur with that observation! By the way...did anyone else see the article about Agnes Kovaks (Olympic gold medalist from Hungary) bolting on an out of competition test and being suspened? Actually she provided 1/3 of a sample and had to leave because she had an apppointment with Sir Roger Moore and you don't keep 007 waiting. She has been cleared of the suspension. www.swimnews.com/.../displayStory.jhtml www.swimnews.com/.../displayStory.jhtml

The 50M pools we have in this area are used as large SCY pools 95% of the time...which is just fine by me.

Actually she provided 1/3 of a sample and had to leave because she had an apppointment with Sir Roger Moore and you don't keep 007 waiting. That was probably the reason for the test in the first place. WADA heard she had an appointment with Bond but misheard it and thought she had an appointment with Bonds! :)

At 18 I was lifhting 3x a week. There were guys my ages pumping themselves full of dope, just to stand around with relatively skinny legs and huge upper bodies at the disco. Madness. This backs up what you're talking about, Rich. news.yahoo.com/.../steroid_users_dc Kind of sad, actually.