Marion Jones Cheater!

At this point the rules are no doping. Until they have two olympics ('natural' and 'juicer'), the people who enter agree to the rules, and if they get caught red-handed, well, too bad for them.

Think back to the days of Marion Jones's glory: wasn't her husband/BF or trainer kicked out of the Games right then? Did you think Jones was 100% pure? Regards, VB No...I am sure he was slipping her something back then too...:D As Sonny Corleone said: "There's alotta money in the white powder..."

I think the public denials and lying ultimately may do as much damage to sport as the cheating. What egomaniacal sense of entitlement gives an athlete -- or sitting President, for that matter, but this is not a political discussion -- the right to sit on a dais and feed us pure bs for years, then turn around and beg forgiveness when finally caught out? What message does that send to my kids who are just starting into competitive athletics? The whole sordid affair is disgusting, and unfortunately makes me view similar denials by athletes with about an ocean of salt. It is a shame. Ruins the idea of it. "Hey kids...do be obese video game addicts...pick a sport...if you're not fast enough, we know a guy that can get you "cheat codes" for the field..."

Then, you got gull over there in Texas sporting those new pipes, just makes you wonder about it all, oh the humanity. that's from all that steer wrangling he's been donig on the side...

Periodically, I read a thread about doping on some forum and am always amazed at the basic mistake being made by most folks. Here it is: elite sport is not sport as most understand the concept. It has nothing to do with a healty lifestyle or concepts such as honor. It is a big money business. Very big. An athlete is payed alot of money and is expected to do everything he has to do to win. I do not believe that there is any big time sport where doping is not prevelant. And guess what - we are all guilty ! We all want to see records broken even though we know that they are already at super human levels. Does anybody think that Tour deFrance riders could get thru that 3 week hell only on Wheaties? Recentlt I saw an old NBA playoff game from the 60's - Boston vs. Philadelphia. I was amazed at how much the physiqes of NBA players have changed since then. Yes, back then they didn't do as much weight training but does anyone seriously not think that today substance use is much more prevelant? BTW, if I remember correctly, in those days guys like Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain made $100,000 a year and there was not a big mechandise market like today. So..Marion gets stripped of her medal, we all feel rightous :angel: and it's given to another athlete who , of course:doh:, never took any substance.

Heck, we can continue to lower the bar to make sure everyone gets a medal. We can turn our backs on drug cheaters like some think we should, but I'd like to think we took the high road and competed clean and set examples for our kids that decency, honesty and ethics mean something, even if it cost us a gold medal. I had a great boss once who used to say, "I met a lot of people in business over the years that had ethics, as long as it didn't cost them anything." The argument that everyone else is doing it is lame....and does not justify the means. Wrong will always be just that...wrong. I also do not buy the "I did not know nonsense". It is bad enough that they cheat, but do not add insult to misery by insulting my intellect by telling me you did not know. That is akin to a guys wife walking into the bedroom and finding him in bed with the next door neighbor, then telling his wife "it is not what it looks like". Ok, hot shot....I'm all ears, then what is it?

That not a solution. Who's going to want to watch, advertise for, or compete in an "Aided Olympics?" Other than as a freak show, perhaps. Kirk, I'm not so sure about your assumption. After all, the audience watching the 'World's Strongest Man' competition and all brands of wrestling is pretty large. But, maybe that's just the freak show aspect that most of the TV viewing public seems to crave.

Can they retroactively award her medals to the next finishers? Current rule is that this can be done retroactively for a period of 8 years. So, yes, anything she won from 1999 on is fair game at this point. -LBJ

Also this really does question Lance Armstrong's statements about doping even more becuase Marion Anderson didn't test positive, i believe Are you trying to tell me even opera singers dope? :lmao:

3strokes I have a name change suggestion, you are a funny guy,:groovy::groovy::groovy: should you not change your name to 3jokes And limit myself to 3 jokes (per month? year? week? post?). Or, worse, what if I don't rise up to the occasion (joke-wise)? People will expect "funny" all the time and I won't be able to interject serious discussions (For example, I shall soon advertise that a customer of ours -never mind which Bank!- had left $182,000,006.98 in a secret bank account and then has been lunched on by a Great White and that I'm the estate executor and that I'm willing to let a lucky person share if they'll let me use their bank accounts as masks, for a modest fee). On the other hand, during that last game we had (was it the Masquerade Ball? My memory's really going fast), I stayed true to my name and did not use fake identities. Thanks for the suggestion, George, but I'll stick to my alibi..... oops, story, I mean, name.