I remember the noodler thread of a long time ago, and I just kinda laughed at the idea of how annoyed some swimmers were with the "noodling". Today, I had a particularly ugly encounter with some noodlers.
I haven't swam since my unfortunate exit, after the 200 IM, at Nationals. Tuesday and Wednesday I had really bad food poisoning that had me laid out the entire time (when I wasn't yakking my guts out!), and on top of it all, I'm one month pregnant with number 4. (Happy about pregnancy, not so much about the other things).
So, my first day back swimming was today at the gym, on this beautiful, sunny 75 degree day. Ahhh. There's a 5 lane 25m pool. Albeit too warm because of the charming noodlers!
I got in, swam an easy 1000, and then the noodler class started. I was in lane 2 as lane 1 is really narrow. I knew that the noodlers get lanes 3-5. I went to push off the wall and a noodler was about 7 meters out right in front of me. Good thing I looked, or she would have had some owies. I stopped and looked at her (she couldn't see the glare in my eyes because I had my goggles on). She just stood there looking at me. A "friend" of hers said, "Do you want to move over?" She asked. I said, "No. I don't." To which she replied, "We get three lanes." I said, "You HAVE three lanes." Apparently, when a lane line isn't in, that counts as one! Long and short of it is I moved over.
It gets better. The "lady" (blue suit) who told me about how many lanes they get started chipping on me as I was swimming/kicking. I held my tongue for awhile and then suggested that she "grow up."
I finished 2,000m which was just right for me, now, and was sitting on the deck, while a guy who was obviously waiting for our ONE lane, got in. I was watching the noodlers noticing that of the 25 of them or so, they were all much older ladies or younger, MUCH heavier "ladies". I'm guessing over 300 pounds, which might account for their ill temper. Blue suit was probably pushing 350. As I was sitting their I saw her turn around, look right at me, and clear as day, say to her friend, "The b!t@h got out!" I couldn't believe my ears, was she kidding me?!
I walked over to her and from the side said, "Do you have a problem with me?" She said, "No. Why?" And I said, "I have a problem being called a b!t#h for no good reason." She didn't answer again, but her friend said, "She didn't say that." I told her that I clearly heard her. She said, "She doesn't even use words like that. She said, 'You got out.' " (Oh, they sound so similar! Plus it doesn't even make sense, she wasn't talking to me! Anyway...)
I said again, "If you have a problem I think you should talk to me." She still didn't answer. Her friend said, "If you have a problem, maybe you should go to the front desk." I said, "I'd rather work it out with you." So, I hadn't thought of going to the front desk, but it sounded good.
The manager came over and I pointed them out and he said he'd give me a call... we'll see.
I couldn't believe the rudeness. I'm sure not all noodlers are that rude, but she was over the top.
Susan Myers- That is my cousin's name! Except she spells it this way: Meyers.
I did point out to the manager that the whole area from the flags to the walls, on both ends, was not being utilized by the noodlers... he did acknowledge that and said he would talk to "whomever".
I don't expect to displace an entire class. The benefit of 25 vs. 1 isn't even a valid argument... however, I do expect them to use ALL of the lanes they have, and use 3 instead of 4 lanes. And I shouldn't be called names for being reasonable and sticking up for myself. :duel:
hey, congrats on #4!
can't believe your noodler story. how obnoxious! since you said it was a noodler class, I'm assuming there was a teacher? if so, it should have also been the teacher's responsibility to get the noodler out of lane 2. when I teach the aqua classes at the fitness center, there are strict rules of how much of the pool my class can occupy and how much has to be available for lap swimmers. the teacher should have pulled that large lady (was going to write another word here, but not a good idea) over to lane 3.
I would work on a kicking set too... one with lots of splashing. not a good day for breaststroke! I have to say, it cracks me up when the ladies in those classes get splashed really good by the swimmers... of course, if I am teaching I commiserate on the outside. :laugh2:
I've had my own experience with
--kids tossing pool toys into the lap lanes (grrr... stopped swimming during the period they had kdis sharing the pool w/ lap swimmers)
--people telling me I was "splashing" them. Hmmm... water=wet. How do you stay dry there?
--people with heavy perfume coming into the pool (um... you need directions to the cocktail lounge?)
But I also talked to a woman while sitting in the sauna who told me she'd lost over a hundred pounds. She was swimming earlier in the wall lane, very, very slowly, and it would be easy to dismiss her efforts, but as we chatted, I realized just what it took for her simply to be in the pool and do her slow swimming. I remembered her then from a year earlier... very worn suit almost to see-through. And I recognized that a lot of people who come into water exercise (swimming, "noodling") as adults have brought their land issues with them, including their fears of water, fears about their weight, etc. The woman told me that at first she couldn't swim the whole length of the pool without stopping to hold on to the side. For her, simply swimming as she was represented progress. She knew that it would take a lot of work to get from being afraid of water to being able to make it through a single lap. Her joints could not take a lot of exercise on land so it was water exercise or no exercise. She said now that she'd shed the weight, she was going to start walking.
I remember coming back into the locker room after a workout where I was getting discouraged about inability to do flip turns, and thinking "I'm not a real swimmer," and then hearing some women talk about their adult swim class and fear of putting their face in the water. And then I realized I'd been given a lot in terms of having had a chance to learn to swim as a kid and had gotten past a lot of my fears (not all.. I'm still afraid of flip turns), which these women had not.
Sometimes this is expressed in arrogant behavior, and while that doesn't excuse the behavior, it can help to consider its source. The kids invading the lanes... sometimes I think the ppl managing these things need to work on at least scheduling compatible activities if they're going to split the pool in half for any reason. Maybe what they need to do is to have some sort of forum for those involved to voiice their concerns (online or in a meeting), then do the scheduling, tho I suppose it's a challenge to accommodate everyone.
And... oops, got so caught up in my reply that I forgot something important: to congratulate you on your pregnancy... Hope all goes well and wishing you a safe delivery and healthy baby.
Also sorry to hear you weren't feeling well during the meet! Sounds harrowing!
Karen - Congratulations on Mini-Duggan #4!!!
For the last month or so, I've been swimming at the local YMCA. Although we've had some issues with some slower people entering our lane at times, I can only think of two Karen-esque incidents.
The first was with me. Some ~8yo kid was standing in my lane about 7M out from the wall - I didn't see him at all. I pushed off for a 100 free fast, head tucked, and was just about ready to do a SDK, when WHAM! My hands dug into his side pretty good. I had just told the same kid to be careful about his ball going into our lane. After asking if he was ok, he told his friend he didn't want to play anymore. I obviously hit him pretty hard. I did tell him I warned him to be careful, which I thought was going to get some angry mommage.
The second incident happened mid-workout when a woman was getting ready to join us. Mollie informed the woman, "We're doing an interval-based workout, just to let you know." Some snapping back occurred and she jumped in anyways.
To the point of the second incident, any time we had a 3rd swimmer try to join us, we'd let them know the same thing as a common courtesy. Other than that woman, we didn't have any 350lb angry water buffalo like Karen. We actually had a few different people legitimately join us in our workouts, which was nice.
I've also done a fair share of brownnosing with the people there too, with a "Good afternoon, how are you?" to a good number of people I see hanging out at the wall. If they were mad about excess waves or my fly, well, at least they can say I am a nice guy, right?
I must admit, I did have some hand entry issues today when I was swimming fly. I did 16 x 25 reverse IM order, and some fly drills. Dag gum if my hands didn't enter incorrectly, my pinkies kept doing this "we go in first thing" and my hands not knowing what to do, just went sideways. I do see how it could have appeared I splashed them as I went by. I really oughtta work on my hand entry. Too bad I was so tired, I would've loved to try to work on that particular fly issue!
Haven't heard from the manager yet...
Congratultions on the baby Karen!:applaud:
As I was reading the posts above this, I was thinking fly and kick sets would have been more than appropriate!!!! Sorry about your poor form while passing the noodlers :cry: . I hope their hair did not get wet:mooning: . Try not to get too stressed, not good for baby! :fish2:
The second incident happened mid-workout when a woman was getting ready to join us. Mollie informed the woman, "We're doing an interval-based workout, just to let you know." Some snapping back occurred and she jumped in anyways.
Was your lane the only lane she could get into because the pool was full? I could see where it would strike me as wrong if there was not much space and someone would not let me circle swim in their lane. Especially if I were similar speed. Sometimes when it is crowded, I have to adjust my intervals. That is just the way it is, if you swim public swim with varying speeds of people.
Generally I respect the noodlers as it is one of the best exercises for the overweight and I think it takes courage in that situation to even get into a swimsuit. That doesn't excuse rude behavior and a few can be amazingly inconsiderate. I guess every group can have it's bad apples(except Masters Swimming of course.) Mega-congrats on the pregnancy:cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: ,I have been told by friends"4 is no harder than 3" "4 is easier than 3" and "4 is much harder than 3." I hope you find it easier.
