By the way, I will not be at the meet this weekend. Im going to the dr. today. I have had shoulder problems and have been trying to block out the pain but this week in the water it just was not working for me. I have a bad feeling my swimming may be done for awhile
Just remember, Greg, there is allegedly "no evidence" that fly is hard on shoulders. :rofl: Get better soon.
When somebody refers to me using profanity, my respect for them is gone as well as the privacy of said conversation. That's just a personal policy I have though...others might have differing opinions.
There are so many other ways to express anger with somebody..you know?
I do know. I agree with respect to the dislike of being called nasty names. No one wants to be referred to with profanity or other obvious insults, if possible. But, as I said, there are other equally effective ways to diss people that may be no less offensive. A four letter label is still just a label. (Some people swear like troopers in private; others don't.) The gift of gab and intellect allows for much for sophisticated or intellectual dissing that may go well beyond simple sarcasm. You know?
Same for posting. Some people like humorous postings; others like attack posting. Maybe some like both? We should respect everyone's preference and co-exist, since none of us are supreme dictators. Yet.
PMs should still be kept private IMHO only. That's what they're for. (I haven't publicized some of the unbelievably nasty ones I received during a certain thread when I first joined the forum. They didn't use **** or other profanity (I don't think), but they might as well have. OMG, they were hateful in the extreme. No tongue in cheek.) Hateful is no different than profanity to me.
But I don't see how name calling in PMs vitiates the privacy of PMs. If everyone publicized PMs, what would happen to the forum then? It would be a lot more objectionable than simple Wonder Woman talk. Plus, if PMs routinely became public, people would stop PM-ing and then there might be worse threads.
I know you're resisting that inane thread, but trying to tempt you ... :eek: I know, you're just worried you'll be Supergirl like Jim Clemmons ... ;) Toungue in cheek. Maybe more pictures of your super cute daughter would help. I would submit some, but you're way more tech saavy than me and a much better photographer. That colour was unbelievable on those shots. Off topic, I know, but compliments are a nice relief. (Not kissing up Geek. :thhbbb: ) It's just a fact that those photos were good.
Leslie, I'm curious, did you take Gull's post as an attack on you? I didn't read it that way at all and have been surprised at the reaction.
I like to read too. Frankly, I still think I have a whole lot to learn, so I do a lot of reading and questioning. I can actually be Mindful, even though I don't like initial caps.
To respond directly to your comment, honestly, I guess I was surprised at the seeming vitriole directed at me (and many others) by Geek/Gull. I wasn't sure what I had done to spark it. Not that I haven't fired off my share of zings or acerbic comments, of course, and won't spar back ...
I can only guess that Gull was just genuinely offended. That was not my intention at all. But my teammates are very nice. Personality? Yes, but nice. Some of them have just known each other for years and they don't see much value in being overly polite. Others are very decorous. We run the full spectrum. It's difficult to capture the dynamic precisely.
As to the attacks on the joksters and new posters (which I guess I qualify for too sometimes), I don't want people driven from the forum, which might happen. A simple goal. And I'm just not all that opposed to humor and sarcasm, as long as there aren't overly personal attacks.
I still remember that Gull had the absolutely audacity to kiss me on another thread. He probably regrets that now. But I don't. He seems like a really good doc and swimmer.
This seems like a really good solution. :applaud:
Thanks Lindsay. As a point of what I meant by resisting the comedy urge on serious threads. I held back posting some humour on your Front Crawl vids, as I though it would hinder your objective in posting. Never fear it was not going to be malicious, I was going to post and ask how you mananged to swim in slow motion like that ;) I then changed mind out of respect. That doesn't mean you're off the hook for good though :D
I think this is perfectly clear, but there was no flirting by me on the Geek vs. Gull II thread. I thought the picture was inspiring. I really thought they both looked happy and fit and "good looking" (although Gull has since staked claim to this latter appellation). If that is "flirting," I guess I'm not very good at it. Is this what we need to ban?
As to scyfreestyler's comment that the forum has gone to hell the last few months, maybe it would be improved if Geek actually posted more on the "meat" of swimming instead of pork rinds and NASCAR.;)
The meat of swimming sounds a bit risque too in a certain light...and may also offend a vegetarian.
It's possible I missed a post on another thread, because I can't keep up with this board anymore, but I was referring to Gull's comment on this thread about the intervals being too long, which I didn't think was an attack at all, just kind of dry, and even self-deprecating.
Well, I sure wish my team would do longer intervals so I wouldn't have to do all that aerobic lite training by myself. But I'm consigned to my fate as a sprinter. And it ain't so bad ... on the shoulders. ;)
It's probably not a good idea to say anything on the internet that is truly private. And obviously, some "abuse," like child abuse, shouldn't be private. But if I want to converse on an off topic issue of small importance with someone or seek personal advice relating to my own training or even grumble about some post, nothing wrong with keeping a PM private. I'm sure no one wants to read it anyway. There's certainly enough to read here nowadays. I still think private is private.
I just have to wonder if, perhaps, the intervals aren't tough enough when Fortress's teammates have the time (and breath) to discuss women's bodies, pms, cute lifeguards, etc. during practice. Usually it's all I can do not to hurl my latte into the gutter. My training partner and I communicate via grunts and gestures between repeats.
I don't know what Fortress did to deserve this. I've read her posts. She jokes some. But I have seen her offer many, many helpful tips and give encouragement to many as well. I have also seen her ask questions and thank others for advice.
I looked. She seems to be currently ranked #1 in the nation in several events. So I guess her team must not be too shabby.
Most athletes and people tend to engage in some good natured banter.
I would like to personally appeal to all of my friends on all sides of this discussion to move on, consider it all said and give up the opportunity to have the very last word. Please.
