Nooo...Shoulder

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I am feeling a pain in the shoulder. Yes yes, I know there are millions of threads like this floating around, but I have to ask. How can I distinguish between a normal shoulder muscle sore and a shoulder injury? Are there circumstances in which the shoulder hurts but for completely normal reasons? My shoulder is having a dull sore, not a sharp pain. I happened last night. I was swinging my arm around with no apparent reason, and doing backstroking motions when I suddenly felt a pain on the top portion of my deltoid. If I were to draw a circle around the pain, the circle would face out and forward. When my arms are over my head, there's NO pain, but when my arms reach about 45 to 30 degrees to my body, the pain starts. The pain is mainly when I'm moving my arm. Right now, there's no pain anymore. I gave it a night and today, and currently there's no acute pain, but just a dull soreness much like an aching muscle. However, last night I sensed a bit of pain while moving in the 45 degree zone mentioned above, but when my arms were above my head or even above horizontal I couldn't feel a thing. When the arm's hurting, after a bit of rest it felt like it had been charged up with lactic acid and had that kind of sore feeling (my entire arm). Then it disappeared. Right now I can't feel any pain while moving my arms, except that very mild soreness. Oh yea, I sense no obvious weakness in the arm or inability to sleep on it. So...what's happening? Any ideas? Thanks a lot.
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    Your shoulder is annoyed at you it says here I go and go for you in that pool and now you have the audacity to swing me around outside the pool? Seriously how do i tell the difference-I see if it sticks around or not. In your situation I would lay off for a day or two, ice (right away) and then gently stretch and do ROM exercises. Maybe you have tightened up in some area that needs work. Its porbably an early warning to be careful. If it keeps hurting, hurts agian, hurts sharply, swells, heats, gets numb or shoots, I'd guess injury. Hard to say from out here!
  • I don't know why you would be asking this here. Ask real professionals. But since you asked :-) If my imagination is working right then you are having some impingement syndrome. Should see a physical therapist soon, it can progress very rapidly to dropped shoulder if not seen about.
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    Pain is not "normal." Could be tendinitis, in which case ice and an antiinflammatory agent (like Aleve) will help. However, you have to look for the cause. If it's impingement ("swimmer's shoulder"), treatment should include correcting faulty stroke mechanics and physical therapy.
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    Well, I gave it another few days. It seemed to be under control, and last night I went for swimming. Had a moderate workout, didn't hurt at all during the workout except for a few very tiny twinges, and after the swimming I felt only a few twinges (barely hurt, just noticeable). This morning it hurt for about 3 minutes and the whole day went by without it hurting. Now it's almost gone. I also went to the doctor today. The man pressed on where it hurt, pinched my frigin shoulder, and I could feel a tendony thing jumping around under his finger. He said that I had a small bicep tendon pain, and it should heal within 3 weeks. He suggested rest and some anti-inflammatory drugs, but he didn't seem too concerned. It didn't hurt that much and not at all when my arm was overhead, so that's probably why. He didn't say anything about not going swimming tho, and even though I told him that I swim. My dad doesn't seem too worried either. He says that he gets pains from soccer all the time. Ah well, I'm gonna just rest my shoulder a bit I'm doing a 80 to 90% breaststroke workout. Breaststroke isn't hard on the shoulders is it?
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    was the one stroke I was permitted to do after having surgery for impingement syndrome and for scar tissue that I created by going back to swimming too soon. Since there is no overhand motion--the tendons don't rub against the acromion which is where the impingement comes from. This might be the time to work on your various kicks for a few weeks and allow the shoulder to fully heal.
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    Ah well. I pretty much don't do any other strokes other than ***. I do about 2 lengths of free followed by 2 lengths of back for warmup and may stick 2 lengths of fly somewhere in my workout if I feel that I need a break. But now, pure breaststroke workouts! Is sprint breaststroke okay? And I'd better watch the knees. Oh yea, is shoulder clicking and popping normal? They are like the sounds of a cracked knuckle. I occasionally get them in the shoulders, and knees, and wrists, and just about everywhere else. No pain associated with these. Are these normal? I've heard someone say that "you know you're a swimmer when one or both of your shoulders click when you put on a jacket" from the you know you're a swimmer thread. So, this isn't a problem is it (occasional clicking)? It got pretty loud once in the showers, the sound amplified by the walls. And I had a pretty loud one about 2 seconds ago. Oh yea, can poor computer posture cause shoulder aches?
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    well here's another opnion and its advice I don't follow enough. If its minor and goign to heal but is a tendon let it really rest until there is no pain at all. If you keep using it you may escalate it. I think when it already hurts there's some inflammation which makes the use worse. Let it go away for good instead of becoming a chronic irritation. Docs. don't always hear or understand us when we tell them what we do.
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    Originally posted by Kevin in MD This is what doctors do. A bit of a generalization, don't you think? You need to see an orthopedist who specializes in sports medicine (while I'm a physician, here I'm speaking from experience as a patient). As I posted above: "Could be tendinitis, in which case ice and an antiinflammatory agent (like Aleve) will help. However, you have to look for the cause. If it's impingement ("swimmer's shoulder"), treatment should include correcting faulty stroke mechanics and physical therapy." I agree that rest alone won't fix the problem.
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    A little over a year ago I myself damaged my LH shoulder while doing ballistic arm swing type stretches. It is pretty much pain free now but it took a good 8-10 months to get to the point where I could go a day or two without thinking about it. Let me tell you what worked for me.. 1) NSAID's are good and bad. They reduce swelling but the cause of the swelling is actually beneficial to the healing process. When I layed off of the drugs my recovery improved drastically. 2) Limited shoulder exercises. If I did them every day to fatigue my arms would be too tired to swim. 3) Breaststroke caused a lot of clicking in my shoulders so I avoided it as much as possible. 4) When swimming, stop immediately when you notice any pain. Never swim through the pain because it will only make things worse. 5) Use your arm. Keeping it immobilized when not in the pool causes problems such as adhesive capsulitis in bad cases. The more I used my arm, in a gentle manner, the better it felt. I'll post more as I have time.
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    Well, the pain first started when I was doing swinging-arm type stretches. It wasn't "ballistic", but a few swings and I felt the pain very suddenly. People say that breaststroke is not hard on the shoulders. Is it? I'm mostly a breaststroker so I don't do a lot of free, back, or fly. I usually do a maximum of two lengths of free, back and fly in a workout and everything else ***. Is that very bad for the shoulders? Stroke mechanics: Can a faulty *** pull damage shoulders? Because I don't do much free, back, or fly (VERY minimal amounts), I don't think its their stroke mechanics that's causing the problem. Anyways, like I said, I think I stretched my tendon too much during the arm swinging. How long should I stay away from the pool for? Note that I do only *** iin a swimming workout in the pool. It's just I get really grouchy and grumpy if I'm away from the pool for too long. What's annoying is that I can't seem to understand why everything I've researched about shoulder pain involves major pain when the arms move ABOVE the 90 degrees elevation when my arms only hurt when they are BELOW 90 degrees elevation (in fact, only when they're fairly close to the body, so during a *** pull out it's at the completion of the pull that it hurts). Also, is shoulder clicking normal? (occasional ones). And can poor computer posture damage shoulders? Yes, it was after a few hours at the computer that I stood up and immediately went arm swinging, then the shoulder started to hurt. Thanks a lot.