I propose USMS adopt handicap measurements to more equitably compare performances in Masters Swimming.
1. Married ...... deduct one tenth per 50
2. Nagging spouse.... deduct two tenths per 50
3. Each child under the age of 10..... deduct one tenth per 50
4. Work more than 40 hours a week..... deduct one tenth per 50
5. House and car payment stress.... deduct on tenth per vehicle two tenths per house.
6. Travel more than 1 day a week.... one tenth per 50
Note: item 6 can help negate item 2.
In addition.... those of us with more manageable lifestyles need to adjust their times as well.
7. Training more than 4,000 a workout ...... add one tenth per 50
8. Training more than 4 days a week....... add one tenth per 50
9. Born independently wealthy..... add 3 tenths per 50
John Smith
How about this, the person that correctly guesses the number of posts between this one and when this thread gets shut down for the usual reasons can deduct 5 seconds from any event they want at next year's nationals. I'm predicting 20 posts.
Also, any person who uses the term "late bloomer" is disqualified unless USMS now recognizes this as a legitimate excuse for slow times.
Originally posted by laineybug
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this thread is a joke Ion
Bug, you sure about that? I was thinking it was about time USMS allowed slow people to post fast times.
Slight change of subject, our coach made us do a 20 minute swim today. What would be a good distance in that time period?
Originally posted by aquageek
...I was thinking it was about time USMS allowed slow people to post fast times.
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Well, that's an improvement from USMS allowing even slower people -like you- to smirk.
Originally posted by laineybug
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this thread is a joke Ion
You got it.
Did my "...Instead, what's this business, mischief?..." help you realize this?
Originally posted by knelson
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Not sure how I can deduct the ten seconds per 50 I'm entitled to since I was out of the pool between ages 22-32. ;)
I am not sure either.
Your story is the carbon copy of most in USMS.
It's hard to stand out with it.
Originally posted by Ion Beza
You got it.
Did my "...Instead, what's this business, mischief?..." help you realize this?
Actually Ion, I read that and didn't understand what you meant, because that is definately not the way a native speaker of English, or someone proficient in English, would have phrased it.
Originally posted by Ion Beza
.) a 50 yards free in 27.06 - 4 = 23.06,
.) a 100 yards free in 59.68 - 8 = 51.68,
.) a 200 yards free in 2:09.11 - 16 = 1:53.11,
.) a 1,650 yards free (in the same day as the 200 and the 50, minutes apart) in 21:21.76 - 132 = 19:09.76,
and in Long Course, last month, a:
.) 50 meter free in 29.60 - 4 = 25.60.
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this thread is a joke Ion
Originally posted by knelson
You're probably right. The ones you have to watch out for are those who are 'entitled' to 20 or 25 seconds per 50 deduction!
Who are they besides me?
What I see in USMS are the ones like you, who took a leave from swimming at age 22, and up until 22 were in the window of opportunity and materially sheltered in swimming by their parents, in their country.
Or the one who started late and crows about breaking 40 seconds in 50 yards free without other willpower.
My swimming comes outside the window of opportunity, entirely as a self sustaining working adult (contrast this entirely self sustaining work/swim adult life -starting at level zero in swimming- with a favorite USMS saying: "I can't swim, I have to do. In high school I swam , I can't do that now."), who took the risks of immigration on rare job skills to two foreign countries, and self sustained this adult work/swim double life in three foreign countries.
This John character seemed to be a serious guy when we talked at the 2003 USMS Short Course Nationals in Tempe, Arizona, after he raced to the wire his competition in the 200 free, then walked on deck bent, gasping for air.
Instead, what's this business, mischief?
Originally posted by gull80
Maximum 4 second deduction--that would correspond to the four year "window" for maximum aerobic development (10-14). Thus, if a "late bloomer" in our age group swam a 50 in 26 seconds, he would be awarded a 22. For a 100, if he swam a 55, he would be awarded a 47.
So Craig, in 2005, for me, that's:
.) a 50 yards free in 27.06 - 4 = 23.06,
.) a 100 yards free in 59.68 - 8 = 51.68,
.) a 200 yards free in 2:09.11 - 16 = 1:53.11,
.) a 1,650 yards free (in the same day as the 200 and the 50, minutes apart) in 21:21.76 - 132 = 19:09.76,
and in Long Course, last month, a:
.) 50 meter free in 29.60 - 4 = 25.60.
(Long Course in 2005 I stop at 50 meter free, since last month I raced the 100, 200 and 1500 free and beyond the 50 I was broken down and slower than my 100, 200 and 1500 free swam in 2004)
However, I guess that the window for maximum aerobic development is longer than 10-14, is maybe 10-18.
Sprinter Steve Crocker, #3 in the word in the 50 meter free in the early 90s, who started at 17, would agree with me.
