Latest L. Armstrong controversy

Originally posted by aquageek I completely resent being called a racist. French is not a race. It would be ok to accuse me of frogism or being a frogist. It's not like they are gonna stand up and fight about it. I think there are many names that you may be called.

Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com Have you heard Pound's remarks today? He stated that the evidence is very credible. The lab that tested Lance is certified by the Olympic committee. I think a lot of that was covered by an earlier linked article... Originally posted by justforfun For more info, here's an interesting article about the testing done on the old samples: www.velonews.com/.../8746.0.html I'd be very interested in hearing all the details. So far, it seems like there has been some very questionable methodology. (Have they tested 6-year old urine samples, where they had known control and positive samples?)

Originally posted by aquageek I completely resent being called a racist. French is not a race. It would be ok to accuse me of frogism or being a frogist. It's not like they are gonna stand up and fight about it. Geek, I haven't ever laughed that hard from reading an internet post. I love your dry sense of humor. Craig, Just curious, are you French? Hook'em Blue

Here are some things I look at when I here the rumors about Lance: The French hate him, because he was very cocky early in his career, a Euro cycling no-no. Also because he is not French. Lance was a world champion at 21 or could be 23. A world class tri-athlete in his teens. A genetic freak, he produces way less lactic acid than the average human. Is tested more than any other cyclist at the tour. Is innocent until proven guilty. The USA is starting to produce outstanding cyclists, the US can win in cycling to not just the French. Hey Levi Liephiemer just won the Tour of Germany, start the witch hunt. Michael Jordan was heads and shoulders above other NBA'ers for many years. It's not unreasonable for a cyclist to be the same for numerous years. Look @ Bernard Hinault, Migual Indurain, Eddy Mercks, all 5 time winners of the tour.

Originally posted by Blue Horn Geek, I haven't ever laughed that hard from reading an internet post. I love your dry sense of humor. Craig, Just curious, are you French? Hook'em Blue Why would it matter? Have you heard Pound's remarks today? He stated that the evidence is very credible. The lab that tested Lance is certified by the Olympic committee. I believe that we don't know the real truth yet because we are so lost in shock and denial that any of our heroes could possible do somehting so wrong. We really must wait until there is a yes or no. However, it really doesn't look very good for the results from a sample given six years ago. We are very unwilling to listen to any story given by any other athelete, why should we be any more willing to believe Lance's stroy? I don't know him, I wonder if any on this thread do either. I have no reason to believe him or the press. Also, one of my grandfathers came from France to the US when he was 3 years old. Of all the people I have ever known, he was probably the most patriotic person I've ever met. To him the uS could do no wrong. This contry was his savior.

Why are we concerned about what somone uses to do better than others more people use and lie. The true fact is the USA athletes have been using for years, Carl Lewis still has his gold that he got when Johnson was taken down, remember Flo Joe. I am all for do it if you can get away with it and if you are from the USA you can get away with it or blame it on the French because they did not go to Iraq. Should the French or any one stand up for liers???.

Originally posted by Karen Duggan Lance's personal life- whatever the circumstance, "in my opinion" when there are children involved you do what you can and try to make it work- again "my opinion" I do not know Lance, so I should probably just keep my mouth shut- to me, it just looks bad. Maybe they did try to make it work. At the end of the day if you're miserable in a marriage you need to get out. Kids add a wrinkle, but from what I've read Lance is still an active father to them. About the French being upset about a foreign rider winning the tour. They should be used to it by now. A Frenchman hasn't won since 1985!

For more info, here's an interesting article about the testing done on the old samples: www.velonews.com/.../8746.0.html

Cycling is a VERY dirty sport comparatively. Talk to any elite level rider and they will tell you (after a few) just how dirty it is. It will be interesting to see how this pans out or if it just dies a slow death. It really is hard to tell as a neutral observer what is fact and fiction in the media. However, it does seem there is recurring "smoke" around Lance and the possible use of drugs..... where there's smoke..... is there fire? Hope not. John Smith

The cheaters in the old days just kicked the spokes out of the other riders bikes.